Any interest in a Carpet Racing League this winter? I'm thinking about 3 races for points, no throw outs, and one fun run to pass out trophies and prizes.

November, December, January & February.
Straight points - 100, 99, 98... 5 bonus points for TQ, 5 bonus points for fastest lap of the weekend.
Touring cars and 1/12th scale stock and mod.
Points trophies and prizes at the end of the series.
Tracks??? Maybe 4 different ones.

Anyone interested or should I spend the winter restoring a Mini and repairing any damage that those Neon's may do to my Honda?

Thanks,
Keith

Hi Keith,

I would love to see the CRL make a comeback. Unfortunately, it looks like my racing this winter-time is going to be just like last winter and the last few years --- pretty much non-existant.

However,a 3-race series might be doable for me. :)

How about instead of mod, run 19-turn?

-Rich

Organize it and we will come!

3 races, and the Fun run would be great. 19T or Mod, makes no difference to me, just if you run 19T TC, you have to run 19T 1/12th and same goes for stock.

Another thing that would be nice is if the Tracks supported the WHOLE series like the Florida States Series, id the Mid-West Touring Series in WI, when there is a series race, the other racks close for the day. I know it would be hard to get that kind of support/participation, but being closed for 1 day or weekend out of the whole racing season shouldn’t make or break a track, and 1 raceday with 100+ racers would more then compensate for missing a 25 or 30 person club race.

Keith:

Hi,

If you do the CRL this winter we will make all the races. due to recent events I cannot work any O.T. Mini is still in school and it looks like weekends might free for him from work.

Thanks

Tim you guy sup for some 19T c-dan and 1/12th?

Greg:

yep. I'm just waiting for a new chassis for the 1 1/12th scale. R/C/ Screwz was a little hard on it last winter. as for sedan we're ready. Mini's got a new toy to run this year!!!!!!!!!

Thanks

Jake and I would like to come. Especially if you have a pool going in Toledo or bowling in Ft Wayne. Seriously we would support it.

Keith, I will race if the schedule works out.

Sounds great as long as it would not effect any of the larger races, such as Halloween Classic, Cleveland or any warm-up races. I think that (WOHAG) the World of Hobbies and Games track, here in Cincy would be interested in hosting one of the races.

Going with a simple points system and trophies would make it much easier to keep track of everything. NO THROWOUTS to try and encourage everyone to support the series and the tracks that are in the series. Make it MANDATORY that ALL tracks involved will NOT have racing of any type on the SERIES race days.

Of course make it so it is the same rules for ALL of the races and no "track" rules that no one knows about unless you race there. Make it well known in advanced if a track does not allow Paragon.

hey

i would like to try to do the crl this year. i think it will be easier on my budget than going to one big race. would the race be on the day the track usually runs on road, or would you try to make all of them on sunday? one more question, what if crl runs only on sunday and one of the other tracks in the series run on saturday, would they not be able to run on both days?

i like 19t over mod. would 19t be run what you brung?

Hammy,


Do you even have to ask?

I'll be there.

Tim

Hamilton, read you e-mail

CRL (1) at RCScrewZ - we can host it

We would definately schedule around other big races. ROAR set's their schedule pretty late, so we'll do our best.

What about the four tracks to visit. I have received a couple of e-mails from racers at the Gate in Cleveland. Would the Lansing racers drive to Clevelend for their event and would the Cleveland drivers make the trip to Lansing's event? I guess I would be looking for support from racers at each track and how willing they are to travel. Or, should we just look at this from the angle that 70% of the CRL racers are from somewhere near Detroit. How far are Detroit racers comfortable traveling on a Saturday in the winter?

RCscrewZ speedway is in livonia 20 miuntes out of detroit!

If you go to Cleveland I will go there!

I guess Cincinnati is too far for some racers. Too bad, its 50 x 80 and as smooth as glass.

I would think you need to keep this a mich. area type series. Alot of us already travel for the BIG races. After all it is a one day event, and with no drops I would think it would be a small following if you start taking it all around the midwest.
If you are looking to promote a larger scale series, Maybe think about the tripple crown.
I am not saying that I wouldn't try to attend the races, but with work and the already busy carpet schedule, it is likly that there will be conflicts.

Walter

CRL (1) at RCScrewZ - we can host it

Race 1 and 2 are likely to go to Lansing and Toledo because they have been there from the start and always have hosted the largest, well run events. They will have first choice, if the two tracks are interested. We'll throw Screws into the mix for consideration for one of the other two events, December or January. I plan to stop by some Tuesday night to check things out. See you soon.

Keith

What is the possibility of Fort Wayne holding one of the races? We did, a couple of years ago and the turn out was light due to the blizzard we had that day, but we would like to try again. Others including myself would attend some of the CRL races in Michigan. Maybe Ron Ferguson, Lee Harpe, Tracy Fogleston and others if we get your support. Fort Wayne is not that far to drive compared to other track in Michigan. I can get to Lansing in an hour and 45 minutes. Toledo 2 hours. RC Screws 2 hour 15 minutes. It makes for a nice circle of tracks. Check out the track pictures.

www.summitrcraceway.com

Thanx,
Karl

What is the possibility of Fort Wayne holding one of the races? We did, a couple of years ago and the turn out was light due to the blizzard we had that day, but we would like to try again. Thanx,
Karl

$2.69 a gallon... 'nuf said?

-Sean

Hustler, it ain't gonna get much better, so we just got to get used to it.

Karl

$2.69 a gallon... 'nuf said?

-Sean

$2.99 a gallon and I have to run octane booster or the car pings.

Thank god for the 2 term limit!

Tim

$2.99 a gallon and I have to run octane booster or the car pings.

Electrics don't need octane booster, ( just kidding). Tim what do you drive? Check your timing. I shouldn't ping.

karl

call it the (mrl) if your going to stay in MI
terry f

It Might be only 2 hours from lansing but that means it is 3 1/2 hours from the detroit area. In my opion that is too far for a one day event and a series that has no drops.

Electrics don't need octane booster, ( just kidding). Tim what do you drive? Check your timing. I shouldn't ping.

karl

In the M3 with 9lbs of boost, it pings. In the Z28 it pings with anything under 92.

Tim

Check your timing. I shouldn't ping.

karl

To ping, or not to ping. I guess it's a lifestyle choice if you want to ping, Karl. We just won't pit so close to you anymore...

-Sean

I see a lot of talk lately about other tracks holding big events on the same day as a series event. This is not a new subject. In 2003, one track started a poker series that competed with the CRL once their race date had passed. I've seen a free pizza day pop up before on the same weekend. I do agree that if you are a track that wants a race from the CRL, you should be willing to support the CRL by promoting the other events and by not hosting/promoting your own competing event, no matter how small "club race" it is served up. Promoting against it is just downright disrespectful. On the other hand, I don't think it is fair to ask a business to close for the day when not all of their customers are willing to travel. They do have to pay the rent.

So, I was trying to think of other solutions. What are your thoughts about the following? What about forming the ORL - Oval Racing Leage - to run on the same dates as the CRL? Three tracks, one hosts the CRL, one the ORL and the third does a practice day for their local non-traveling racers, all the same weekend. This allows for tracks to get two big events and only give up one race day. If a track on their off weekend promoted something against the series, then they would for sure lose both of their big events, permanantly.

Your thoughts? Greg and Brian Anthony - I think I already know your answers... but how can I run both? I don't have a clue. I'm just trying to find some middle ground. :)

Tentative schedule:

October 15 & 16 CRL race #1
22 & 23 Region 5
29 & 30 Halloween Classic
November 5 & 6 open
12 & 13 CRL race #2
19 & 20 Champs warm ups at lots of tracks
26 & 27 U.S. Indoor Champs
December 3 & 4 open
10 & 11 CRL race #3
17 & 18 open
24 & 25 Christmas Holiday
31 & 1 New Years
January 7 & 8 Novak race
14 & 15 CRL fun run and series trophies/prizes awarded

Now we just need to decide on the tracks and review a few rules (motors mostly) and get the flyers out.

Hey Hammy , You are so "P.C." .......LOL Just run the series , I'm glad you decided too ! I need to practice getting out of the way of the fast guys again before the Champs ! Sooo what will it be this year , you and me in the "B" 1/12th stock .LOL I did have the best time in Fort wayne , the bowling , beer , and ..... well you know the rest .
And hey Stamper ....... 32 + mpg at 75 mph , guess I'm driving .
Bob

Bob I like your style...

I'm in sign me up

-Tracey F.

I see a lot of talk about lately about other tracks holding big events on the same day as a series event. This is not a new subject. In 2003, one track started a poker series that competed with the CRL once their race date had passed. I've seen a free pizza day pop up before on the same weekend. I do agree that if you are a track that wants a race from the CRL, you should be willing to support the CRL by promoting the other events and by not hosting/promoting your own competing event, no matter how small "club race" it is served up. Promoting against it is just downright disrespectful. On the other hand, I don't think it is fair to ask a business to close for the day when not all of their customers are willing to travel. They do have to pay the rent.

So, I was trying to think of other solutions. What are your thoughts about the following? What about forming the ORL - Oval Racing Leage - to run on the same dates as the CRL? Three tracks, one hosts the CRL, one the ORL and the third does a practice day for their local non-traveling racers, all the same weekend. This allows for tracks to get two big events and only give up one race day. If a track on their off weekend promoted something against the series, then they would for sure lose both of their big events, permanantly.

Your thoughts? Greg and Brian Anthony - I think I already know your answers... but how can I run both? I don't have a clue. I'm just trying to find some middle ground. :)

I think Lansing is the only track that is going to be running any oval this winter.

If it is only 3 tracks I would have to say Lansing, Larry's, and Toledo. All have supported the CRL before and drew good crowds. And they aren't a hike to get to but also not next door to each other either.

Anyone know if Grand Rapids is having a track?

Grand Rapids had a oval track last season but it closed. Lack of people.

Tentative schedule:

October 15 & 16 CRL race #1 in Toledo
22 & 23 Region 5
29 & 30 Halloween Classic
November 5 & 6 open
12 & 13 CRL race #2 location TBD
19 & 20 Champs warm ups at lots of tracks
26 & 27 U.S. Indoor Champs
December 3 & 4 open
10 & 11 CRL race #3 location TBD
17 & 18 open
24 & 25 Christmas Holiday
31 & 1 New Years
January 7 & 8 Novak race
14 & 15 CRL fun run and series trophies/prizes awarded location TBD

Now we just need to decide on the tracks and review a few rules (motors mostly) and get the flyers out.

Updated locations.

MCH-As for motors I would say for stock only non-handout Monsters. I know people say the chrome can handout is the same and it's not. I know that some have the Epic Bianry stock but that motor has been produced with 2 different arms so it would be harder to tech. So saying just the green can monster would make it very easy to tech and I think everyone has one.

For 19t I would say the Reedy Quad 19t spec and the Chameleon 2. I know that some are using the Orion Element 19t but you can get those in stand-up, lay-down, and V2 brushes so for simplicity saying the Reedy and the C2 would be again easiest for tech. Also it has been proven that those 2 are the same speed.

Stock class, stock motor. 19T class, 19T motor. All locked 24 degree timing endbells.

I can see some concern, but I really don't care what is run except if it not the right turn for the class.

But this is coming from someone who hasn't cheated to win and is too lazy to build hybrid motors. I know for a fact that there are locals that are currently running hybrids. Hey, as long that they are both roar legal, is what i get from them.

Have fun with the decision. I know it won't make everyone happy.

l8r,

Tim

How do I make one of those voting polls in here? Do I have to make a new thread for it? I want one for voting on the track selection. Maybe this is the wrong place to do that? Not a big enough sample?

Lansing
Larry's
R/C Screws
Toledo
Ft. Wayne
Cleveland The Gate
Dayton
Grand Rapids

GR works for me!!!!!

How do I make one of those voting polls in here? Do I have to make a new thread for it? I want one for voting on the track selection. Maybe this is the wrong place to do that? Not a big enough sample?

Lansing
Larry's
R/C Screws
Toledo
Ft. Wayne
Cleveland The Gate
Dayton
Grand Rapids

When you create a new thread, it has a poll checkbox at the bottom. I haven't done one yet though.

Tim

How do I make one of those voting polls in here? Do I have to make a new thread for it? I want one for voting on the track selection. Maybe this is the wrong place to do that? Not a big enough sample?

Lansing
Larry's
R/C Screws
Toledo
Ft. Wayne
Cleveland The Gate
Dayton
Grand Rapids

Oh please don't make me pick three , they are all GREAT locations , I wouldn't want to hurt anyones feelings ............. :( You be the bad guy .

How do I make one of those voting polls in here? Do I have to make a new thread for it? I want one for voting on the track selection. Maybe this is the wrong place to do that? Not a big enough sample?

Lansing
Larry's
R/C Screws
Toledo
Ft. Wayne
Cleveland The Gate
Dayton
Grand Rapids

Don't forget Columbus and Cincy

I think Walter brought up something about going to far away. The further away you go the more their is the likely hood that some races are going to be dominated by local racers not supporting the series. I think the idea would be to try and get all racers to want to support the series and see if it can grew.

Also as stated about the tracks closing on all the race days. This is what the Florida State series did as they race all across the state. Even some tracks not associated with the series close on the race dates so their racers can go out and race with the series. This shows how well all the tracks work together to support one another but also the hobby or R/C racing. I'm sure one big race with alot of entries would more then offset the one day the track doesn't race. Plus I'm sure on the race day of the CRL the hobby shop would do more sales then a normal day. This would also entice the track owners to try and promote the series to gain more entries as that is more money in their pocket not only from the entry fee but also the possible sales at the hobby shop.

Keith,

My recommendation is to start small and keep it in Michigan this year. If attendance has picked back up, then start to branch out to out of state locations in the following years.

For me, just with the price of gas, I know I am not very eager to start driving a lot of miles just for the chance of winning some trophies. :(

People racing anywhere in this state has fallen off. I was asked to bring the MORL back so I did, and attendance has been a joke even with a cash payout. I am not going to run it again next year.

So, I would feel the waters this year and see what happens locally before you kill yourself organizing a multi-state series.

-Rich

one question i have is how far people ar willing to drive, i know i am about the only guy coming from holland. i wuold not like to drive more than 2 - 2 1/2 hours from home.

rich-

i wanted to run it this year, but my scedual did not let me race this year. how many guys are showing up? i know that the price of gas will scare a few racer off. honestly it scares me a little.

i will keep watching this tread for more solid times and dates.

Yep, no problem. A lot of folks have schedules, but that is also why I am recommending the series just stay in Michigan. Basically, I had about 26 individual racers at race 1, at 18 at race 2.

Grand Rapids has a $1000 payout race last month and hardly anyone went. You would think with that much dough being doled out, a lot more folks would have gone. So, if folks are not willing to drive for that, I don't see them driving 3+ hours to Cleveland or to Fort Wayne.

-Rich

could kalamazoo get in on the track list?

I dont see why not, but then again its not up to me.
I hope so.