Just lookin for some Walt's Race results from saturday 8-13.....looked to be a stellar field for sure ....

2004 coopers open wheel edm mod champ, peter d'agnolo, won both edm stock and edm mod

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Modified Car A Main

1 Pete Dagnolo 44 4:01.16
2 Steve Miller 44 4:02.23
3 Jason Wruck 43 4:03.39
4 Dylan Watier 42 4:00.06
5 Jason Heid 41 4:00.24
6 Terry Schmitt 41 4:04.10
7 Billy Kimpton (bu) 6 0:48.08
8 Matt Olmsted (tq) 5 0:27.71

Modified Car B Main

1 Billy Kimpton 43 4:02.63
2 Rodney Bauknecht (bu) 43 4:13.36
3 Brian Strausser 42 4:02.06
4 Todd Putnam 42 4:03.49
5 Mike Alivero 38 4:04.78
6 Nick Deangelis 30 3:14.24
7 Scott Hausenstein 11 1:07.27
8 Jeff Hotaling 3 0:16.03

Modified Car C Main

1 Rodney Bauknecht 41 4:04.31
2 Chris Lorette 39 4:06.07
3 Arnie Fie 38 4:00.29
4 Mike Demallie (bu) 38 4:00.78
5 Brian Burkhart 36 4:02.24
6 Barry Wallace 33 4:00.33
7 Terry Brown -dns-
8 Todd Ferguson -dns-

Modified Car D Main

1 Mike Demallie 41 4:02.63
2 Travis Harrington 37 3:46.10
3 Greg Mcgraw 12 1:22.88

Truck A Main

1 Brennan Dellamore 36 4:00.30
2 Isaac Wood (tq) 36 4:02.33
3 Todd Ferguson 36 4:03.80
4 Chris Singer 36 4:05.21
5 Jeff Winzens 36 4:06.05
6 John Vollick 35 4:03.43
7 Reggie Hammer 33 4:05.41
8 Clint Bogart 32 4:11.10

Stock A Main

1 Pete Dagnolo 42 4:00.64
2 Jason Heid 40 4:02.50
3 Billy Kimpton 40 4:04.98
4 Dean Anderson 39 4:00.56
5 Matt Olmsted 39 4:01.48
6 Todd Putnam 39 4:03.34
7 Postman (bu) 39 4:04.38
8 Terry Schmitt (tq) 37 3:47.38

Stock B Main

1 Postman 42 4:02.93
2 Nick Deangelis 42 4:03.60
3 Jeff Hotaling 41 4:05.50
4 Chris Freader 39 3:54.31
5 Dale Hartzell 39 4:05.04
6 Rodney Bauknecht 33 3:18.61
7 Jason Wruck 20 2:05.05
8 Mike Woods (bu) 4 0:23.40

Stock C Main

1 Mike Woods (bu) 41 4:05.45
2 Rick Walsh 40 4:03.08
3 Eric Beadle 40 4:05.63
4 Todd Ferguson 4:05.83
5 Reggie Hammer 39 4:00.98
6 Jim Carr 25 4:06.36
7 Mike Demallie 24 2:42.12
8 Brian Strausser 8 1:04.31

Stock D Main

1 Mike Woods 41 4:03.05
2 Mike Alivero 41 4:05.94
3 George Silliman 40 4:02.10
4 Dan Donoski 40 4:04.90
5 Dave Solomon 39 4:00.27
6 Jeff Winzens 38 4:00.61
7 Greg Arefoed 38 4:05.88
8 Arnie Fie -dns-

Stock E Main

1 George Silliman 40 4:03.65
2 Phil Davis 38 4:00.08
3 Frank Degaetano 38 4:05.30
4 Steve Thompson 38 4:05.42
5 Jim Cronk 27 2:53.31
6 Jim Calvery 22 4:03.78
7 Henry Ketch Jr 21 2:57.44
8 Alan Mostek (bu) -dns-

Stock F Main

1 Alan Mostek 38 4:01.48
2 Walt Swenton 38 4:03.17
3 Travis Harrington 38 4:06.59
4 Charlie Danoski 37 4:01.10
5 Rick Hammond 36 4:01.69
6 Jeff Johns (bu) 35 4:02.84
7 Denny Wyeth 20 2:09.55
8 Brian Burkhart 13 1:21.84

Stock G Main

1 Jeff Johns 35 4:02.35
2 Dave Loughead 34 4:02.47
3 John Vollick 34 4:04.06
4 Cliff Weeks 32 4:00.10
5 Justin Johns 31 4:07.48
6 Geroge Jamieson 27 4:10.81
7 Cliff Augst 16 2:06.54
8 Joe Rodriguez 1 0:05.53

Thank U very much, iu was there watchin for 3 hrs and i dont know how u all get thru that HUMIDITY !!!...that race should be in late september !

we drink beer

Just my 2 cents.The B/S that went on with HYBRID motors at Walts was out of control. I have only been in this game for 2 years but every big race I have been to the rule is CAN and ARMATURE are supposed to be as delivered by the maufacturer. Not as long as its a 27turn arm you can use it in any can.I think the records that were set with those motors should not be allowed to stand.The record belongs to the Postman ,who has been running as stock is supposed to be all summer @Walts not with some B/S motor combination.Just my 2 cents worth.

Dave....

The stock record was broken probably 10 times, meaning there was at least 9 other people that were faster then Tom's record. There were plenty of fast 41's and some 42's. So to sum up should Tom have the record.....NIP.

Should the record be pulled back cause of a Hybrid... NIP... Walts allowed them for a round.

Also who are you referring to that were running hybrids that has the record? I sat next to Pete and know for a fact he was running a Monster Stock bought from Walts that day. I am aware of two people that were runing hybrids, as that was relayed to me from Tom cause he was not hidding the fact he was running a hybrid. It is not anyones fault that the tech crew at Walts did not understand what Hybrid meant, remember the tech crew said it was legal. They were unclear about OEM.

There are plenty of other things to worry about then this Dave.... ;)

It doesnt really matter as Walts resets the track records every season. The "real" track record i believe was 43 laps from last year anyways

Dave,
I had broken the record too....in the third round......I was running a monster stock..it was brand new..... I went through tech where my motor was taken apart and checked for "hybridness"....I dont EVER like being accused of cheating in stock.....Those of us that ran up front all day work very hard to get our CARS that fast....maybe if you would concentrate on that more than screaming at everyone on the drivers stand and hitting everything on the track you would someday be that fast as well. I am sure we will debate this more the next time I see you around....running in sportsman.

Terry Schmitt

Next time we race together we will switch motors and we will just see how well you do..........

Terry in my post I did not single out anyone,I just simply said I thought that the HYBRID MOTOR DEAL at Walts was B/S.I will not single out anyone either,but when I walked up to Todd Ferguson and asked him is it true that as long as its a 27 turn arm you can put in any can you want-he clarified up that for me by saying that he made a chart for the tech man to go buy because the tech person did not have a clear under standing on this.I then walked over to the tech man and asked him myself when you are checking motors are you just checking to make sure the arm is a 27 turn arm or are you checking to make sure the arm and can match.The answer I got was that the rule was just clarified for me and and there were some cans and arms that did not match and that the people who ran them were not allowed to run them the rest of the day.I posted my opinion today because I think if you were a person running 1 of these motors and set a record it should be taken away and you made to reset it with a stock motor not a hybrid.After all it was advertised as STOCK EDM CLASS, not the HYBRID EDM CLASS. As for myself Terry I don't want to swap motors with you, I know were I belong at is in the small block class.The big reason I travel to N.Y. all the time, is in N.Y.the EDM class is split small block and big block and I can race with guys of my talent instead of moving over every half lap to let the fast guys go buy.You cut me a break at the Summer Nationals and I am greatful for it.Everybody I travel with and helps me has told me when I calm done on the drivers stand it will be worth and extra lap every time I run. Just recently I came up to N.Y. for vacation and ran the full week,at Fountain in the small block class I was finally on my way to what I thought was going to be my first win and because of someone driving down in front of the driving stand who blocked my veiw when the race director said up high on the front stretch and I hit his car and destoyed it along with about 175.00 worth of parts to my car I did not scream and holler I just simply went over to him and said you cost us both by driving from down there and walked away.On Sunday after Walts Classic I ran a ORL race at Trains and Lanes qualified 3rd and in the main was running forth when someone drove out of the infeild and took me out destoying a HYPERDRIVE car.I did not scream and holler just walked off the stand and picked up what was left of my car and packed up and went home.One more thing Terry ,when I called Walt's and asked if they were splitting the field small block and big block the answer was yes.If I would have been told no I would not have wasted my time coming there and spinning out and causing Chris Freader and George Silliman from getting good runs in.Had I driven my own car I simply would have went home. If you guys read this I apoligize big time.You guys won't have to worry at FingerLakes,because I will be down with the small block crowd were I BELONG. No disrespect to any of the Guys who broke the record at Walt's on Saurday, and you were not using a hybrid motor. If I offended anyone else with my 2 cents read this before you lambast me. Thanks Dave Loughead

Moral of the Story-- The Postman ran his yap...waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
Good jobs PD, TS, SRM.
I have raced mod with Demallie and never broke $175 worth of stuff. Mushy wheel?
:wave:

Just my 2 cents.The B/S that went on with HYBRID motors at Walts was out of control. I have only been in this game for 2 years but every big race I have been to the rule is CAN and ARMATURE are supposed to be as delivered by the maufacturer. Not as long as its a 27turn arm you can use it in any can.I think the records that were set with those motors should not be allowed to stand.The record belongs to the Postman ,who has been running as stock is supposed to be all summer @Walts not with some B/S motor combination.Just my 2 cents worth.

Let me give you the facts the way I see them.
First, my name is Craig Olmsted, I am the person checking the motors at Walts.

Second, as I first got to Walt's Saturday, I was approached by 2 people that said that the Postman says that I don't know what I am looking for. I guess that the time he set the track record ( 2 weeks before), he was using a binary stock armature in a monster stock can and I didn't catch it. Now, I am only hearing this 2nd hand, so I am thinking that it is true. Now to me, I am thinking ok we have a guy admitting that he cheats, but is he really cheating according to the guidlines that I use. We at Walt's try to use ROAR Rules as guidlines but we do not enforce all the rules. I try to enforce the motor rules the best that I can but I do make one exception and I will explain that in a minute.

The motor rules we use at Walt's are that the racers running stock class must run a 27 turn stock motor and Hybrids are not allowed. That means a monster arm in a monster can, Green 3 arm in Green 3 can and ect... We do allow the use of the 2 magnet and the 4 magnet binary stock motors for stock class racing.

Now I make 1 exception to the use of hybrid motors and that is the use of the binary stock armature. There are 2 different ones that EPIC make as far as I know. I only thought the difference was in the magnets used. But one arm has a slightly shorter stack than the other. And after finding this out on Saturday, I decided to allow the use of either arm in the monster stock can, I figure that the cans are the same anyways except for the paint on them and one style has 4 magnets. And one arm says EPIC27 and the other something like ESTK27, but both are 27 turn motors, both have the wide spacing between the stacks and both were legal to run at Walts.

It was easier for me to tech the cars if I allowed either arm in the monster can. The only other way I would be able to see if you were running the legal combination would be to tear everyone down that runs a monster stock type of can and measure the stacks with a set of calipers to see if they are running legal. How many people would I upset then? Now I know that some will say that the 2 types of monster cans( 4 magnet and 2 magnet) are painted different colors. Well that is easy for some to see, but I am partially color blind and I have a hard time distinguishing the 2 unless they are side by side. It is even harder for me when the cans are older.

Now, back to the race. Because someone broke a track record, I mentioned to him with the Postman nearby that I allowed the use of the Binary stock arms in the monster cans. I said this mainly for Postman to hear, not because the new record holder had a questionable armiture in his can, but so Postman can hear my ruling on there use.

With that information in hand, Postman decided to cause trouble and run around and shoot off his mouth that we allow hybrids and I am assuming also that he was crying about losing his track record by the use of an illegal motor ( not true, the Motor was legal). And from what I hear, his 2nd round he decided to run a true hybrid motor but because he didn't finish the heat, I didn't get to see his car, he took it directly to the pits. Now because of this , another racer that overheard part of what I said earlier and what he had heard what the postman was telling, decided to run a p2k2 arm in a monster can. I told the racer that his combination was not legal but he argued with me about what he had heard from my own mouth and what he heard from postmans, so I decided to let his run stand.


Now from hereing the facts the way I explain them, I ask you this: if Postman really did run a " HYBRID" motor when he set the record a couple weeks ago like he told someone else,then:

A: should it stand?,
B. should it be removed because he knowingly cheated?
C. should the guys that legitimatley broke the record on Saturday be able to keep it?

Now when Postman did set the record 2 weeks ago, and if he did run a legal motor that I had him tear down and I thought was ok,
It still did get beat several times by ROAR legal stock motors this past Saturday.

Now I will offer this information:
Before any racing even started, many people were lined up waiting to practice. Now the Postman seemed to think that he was better than everyone else and he was tired of waiting in line. So he decided to jump ahead of about a dozen people and go right out to the track with his car, breaking our practice clip rule. So I stopped him and he got mad about it.

So now I wonder if this whole fiasco was caused by Postman trying to get even with me for not allowing him to jump ahead of other patient racers?

I will appologize to you though since you seem to think that there was alot of B.S. at Walts. I blame will myself not the rest of the crew. We try to give everyone a good time while they are here and we try to keep things equal for all racers. But I'm afraid that it seems that there is always at least one idiot ( POSTMAN ) that will try to ruin things for everyone else. Sorry about that.

This is strictly my 2 cents, I am not speaking for Walts.

Craig Olmsted
Techman at Walts

my 2 cents, as posted from www.roarracing.com (http://www.roarracing.com)

8.5.6.6 MODIFICATIONS ON REBUILDABLE STOCK MOTORS:

8.5.6.6.1 No modifications to the physical construction of the motor can, endbell, or armature will

be permitted (e.g. adding or removing material from the armature stack, changing the

brush hoods from stand up to lay-down and visa-versa, relocating spring posts).

8.5.6.6.2 If a rebuildable stock motor shows signs of any of these modifications during post race

inspection, the driver will receive no score for that qualifier or main.

8.5.6.6.3 The armature, motor can, and endbell of a rebuildable stock motor must all be from the

same motor manufacturer and can contain only components from the same model. No

hybrid motors or mixing of parts from different models will be permitted.

as far as I`m concerned everyone running hybrids, were totally illegal and should have had runs taken away!!!!!!!!

Fast Al Jr

For what it's worth...

-Terry TQ'd/set a new track record in qualifying with a Monster stock, 2 seconds faster than any of the so-called hybrid motors.

-After Craig Olmsted and Bruce Throne clarified their motor rule after round 2, I believe all the gray areas were removed and no one ran anything that was a hybrid or marginal whatsoever. The fastest lap(s) / run(s) were made after the confusion and controversy were put to rest, and all motors were deemed legal. Don't let a misunderstanding put a black eye on the event. The race was a success, and as I posted, everyone ran faster after the rule clarification.

-Remember, you can't fire a cannon from a canoe.

-Congratulations to Pete for bumping up Terry's record with the run he had to win the main. :thumbsup:

TI only thought the difference was in the magnets used. But one arm has a slightly shorter stack than the other.


Trinity/Epic has done a bad thing and is a tech nightmare.

FYI:
The Epic Roar Stock arm (in the gold/satin 2 magnet can) has a 36 lamination long stack (.862" or 21.9mm), with the legal wire length of 64" and is legal for ROAR. Tag reads EPIC27

Note: Trinity sent out a bad batch of short stack arms <.845 out with the EPIC Roar stock motors. with the legal Tag so even if you see EPIC27 you still need to caliper the stack. (sucks doesn't it, you can buy a legal motor off the shelf, have it unwound and it wouldn't meet legal wire length...way to go Trinity, LOL)

The Binary 2 Outlaw stock motor (silverish 4 magnet can) has 36 laminations on a short stack ( around .845" of 21.45mm or less) but is short on 64" of wire. Illegal for ROAR no matter what can you put it in. Tag reads EPSTK27

Al,
If you read my reply, you will understand why I made the decision that I did. It would probably have upset every single racer that ran the monster can type of motor if I made them tear their motor down every single run just so I could measure their stack don't you think? And like I also said, we use ROAR rules as guidelines but we don't enforce all their rules.


There was only one person that did have a true in my mind "hybrid motor" and I did let his run stand because of the conversations he overheard. And in my mind, I felt it better that way, why punish him for the misunderstanding that I felt was my fault to begin with?

Now think about this for a moment, almost everybody that ran stock, if I remember correctly, ran with some sort of monster stock based motor. There are many different companies that put their labels on the Epic motors and many of these make changes from their original state. I would have had to tear down almost everyone 4 races each and the bump-up winners even more. Does that sound like a good time to you? Do you think all the other racers would have wanted it that way? Some of these guys( you included) came a long ways to have some fun. Why ruin their fun?

What the real problem was is that someone wanted to start some trouble and he accomplished his goal. And because of this, it ruined the event for some.

the fact still remains on the rules posted on the wall behind the tech table states no hybreds allowed!! cheating for a 6.50$ trophy must be worth all the effort to who ever does it..

Trinity/Epic has done a bad thing and is a tech nightmare.

FYI:
The Epic Roar Stock arm (in the gold/satin 2 magnet can) has a 36 lamination long stack (.862" or 21.9mm), with the legal wire length of 64" and is legal for ROAR. Tag reads EPIC27

Note: Trinity sent out a bad batch of short stack arms <.845 out with the EPIC Roar stock motors. with the legal Tag so even if you see EPIC27 you still need to caliper the stack. (sucks doesn't it, you can buy a legal motor off the shelf, have it unwound and it wouldn't meet legal wire length...way to go Trinity, LOL)

The Binary 2 Outlaw stock motor (silverish 4 magnet can) has 36 laminations on a short stack ( around .845" of 21.45mm or less) but is short on 64" of wire. Illegal for ROAR no matter what can you put it in. Tag reads EPSTK27

Thanks for posting this.

I think I will stick to my Original Decision and allow them. It just makes it easier for everyone. Besides, we don't run any ROAR sanctioned events at Walts anyways.

This stuff needs to stop... this is why racers do not travel to races anymore .We all saw that the car count was low this year and this adds to the problem ......Congrats to all the racers who came and had a good time .....


Congrats to Lil Pedro on his 2 wins ...Maybe next time you could take it easy on the old man ....

ROCKET
PS DIFFBALLS call me when you get time ,,,, have your cars sold ...

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All i was lookin for was results , guess i got more than i bargained for.All i can say is WALTS IS AN AWESOME PLACE TO race with great people , u should all take a deep breath and relax .........I will try my best to make it next year and that means slow AL wont show until saturday !!!!! Unless i'm blessed with him finding another job ! LOL !!!! THE TRUCK GOD !

Craig and anybody else I may have offended with my 2 cents.I apologize for my post if it offended any one as it was not to say that I thought every one was cheating at Walt's Summer Classic.After reading Craigs reply to me and a lengthy conversation with Todd Putnam today I have a complete clear picture of what transpired Sat. at Walts.I am actually in awe of what you guys did and can only hope after a lot more years running in the small block class that some day Ican come up and run with the big guys.If any one Ioffended wants to come and vent to me for what I posted I will be at FingerLakes on Sat. for the WDRA race in the small block class were I belong.I can take the B/Breaking as well as dish it out.Once again I apologize to any one that want's to accept it.

wow...so who won any way?

2004 coopers open wheel edm mod champ, peter d'agnolo, won both edm stock and edm mod

zzzzzzzzzzzz

btw- i must give big ups to the rocket, he drove one hell of a race in the mod A main

and to terry (edm stock) and matt o (edm mod) , who laid down some wicked tq runs in the last qualifier, when the pressure was on

It was a great time. Props to all that was mentioned except one.....

I have to give props to Demallie for his run in the C main, He drove his arse off and led over 3 minutes of the race..... Great run Mike.

Hey Disruptor, we gotta make sure we sign off here! LOL!

I just posted what the roar rules stated, thats all, I could care less regardless, the one race a year that I make is Walts, and the controversy isnt gonna stop me from coming back next year! n Hell you cant miss Buzzy`s!!!!! :thumbsup:

Alright it took this to get me to post on one of these forums!

First I would like to take the time to thank everyone that came to Walts Summer Classic! There was alot of time put in by myself and many other employees and racers. Thanks to everyone that lent a hand in helping sweep and water the track. It was greatly appreciated!
We did our best in trying to give everyone a fun and competitive day of racing! As far as im concerned we did a good job of keeping it fair for everyone.
There was not a single person in any of the A's that should not have been there. As always the bottom half of the A and the top half of the B could have been flopped. There was alot of good, or should I say great drivers at this race. The people that were fast are fast every place they go.
I hated to have to deal with the motor issues the way it happened. We took measures to make sure we could tech correctly. So with that in mind I really do not think its the hobbyshops fault that a mislabeled batch of armatures made it past quality control and to the customers. We are never going to be able to completely stop racers from pushing the envelope. Heck thats racing. If there is a gray area racers are going to do, especially if theres an advantage. Just like if people have specially wound stock motors with less turns from a manufacturer. That in my opinion is not the tracks fault but the company that supplied it to the racer.
The whole idea of the rebuildable stock motors was to make tech easier, and to cut back on the expense of racing. If this was a handout race the entry fee would have been higher.
Anyways lets not harp on this subject any more. I would also like to put acouple of rumors to rest while im here. Everyone that raced this weekend is welcomed back anytime.
I know craig has posted towards the Postman. These were his opinions and not the opinions of the store!! If any has a question or if I offended any one with this post please feel free to call me at Walts Hobby.
Hope to see all you guys soon on either dirt or carpet, at the next race.

Todd Ferguson
Employee Walt's Hobby

TODD WAlts hobby has nothing to be unhappy about .As a guy who has raced at WALTS since 1988 ,I can truely say that I always have a great time on any surface and enjoyed the Classic again this year .......The stock main would not have changed one bit ......


Make sure you ship my body out to me ASAP .....


ROCKET