After watching tonights episode, I have to wonder if Galactica didn't just 'Jump the Shark'. Already.

I wasn't sure if I cared for the whole resistance thread introduced last week and now Starbuck stumbling onto the whole 'breeding' chamber harkened back to X-files days of Mulder stumbling onto something relating to alien/human hybrids. Back then, it was ominous and cool. Somehow for me, that doesn't translate into ominous and cool anymore. It came off as too.....X-files-ish and lame.

And what about the whole cylon technology??.......
Is it organic or is it mechanical (rhetorical question) the gadgets in that room just didn't seem to fit either technology.
It seemed more like the W.H.O.P.E.R. from 'Wargames'.

The show has been SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOD, up until this point. I hope this is a one time thing.

Maybe this is like the MATRIX.
The imagining and suspense of what the cylon 'plan' is, is far more than what can actually be paid off.

Well, now we have another human cylon type to show up in the fleet.

I thought the episode had some good emotional moments, but I have to agree that the whole cylon religion/baby thing is getting a bit over worked.

I had also read where this episode (the farm) was supposed to be so very disturbing that the folks at SCI-FI were worried it might be over the top. I didn't catch the episode title, so when the show was over I looked it up and was surprised it was "the farm" because I didn't find it especially disturbing - at least if we're talking about the 8 women hooked up to corperate servers, I've seen worse on First Wave.

I'd also read - or perhaps misread - that this episode was supposed to address the question of where are all the bodies on Caprica. Was it implied and I missed it?

John O.

No, BSG hasn't "jumped the shark". Ya'll need to put the bong down. Or huffin' gas or whatever you're doing to your brain cells. ;)




>SNIP!<
I'd also read - or perhaps misread - that this episode was supposed to address the question of where are all the bodies on Caprica. Was it implied and I missed it?
The "missing bodies" question was answered back last episode ("Resistance") when Starbuck made a comment about expecting to see bodies all over the place. Helo says something like "Sharon told me that they had soldiers picking up and disposing of the bodies". I can't think of a specific reason why they'd do that beyond hygenic reasons for the Human-Form Cylons not having to worry so much about disease.

What this episode did answer, IMNSHO, was the question of where all the other survivors are. You know there had to have been other survivors - more than just the 100-ish that Anders mentioned in "Resistance" that they started out with before being ambushed by the Cylons, which brought them down to 53. There should, realistically, be quite literally tends of thousands of survivors on Caprica alone. It's been proven that the farther from the source of radiation you are, the better cover you keep and the healthier you are the more likely you are to survive the radiation from the fallout of nukes. Even the junk that gets pumped up in to the atmosphere in the dust particles will settle down eventually and be of no major concern wants the rains start and wash the stuff down in to the oceans.

Starbucks suggestion of the Resistance heading up in to the mountains was a good one. Plus, anybody who was upwind of the nukes being popped would have stood a very good chance as long as they headed further from the cities/nuke sites. Something else is that the RadCount couldn't have been that high, as there's still plenty of plant life, tho I can't recall hearing a single bird during the scenes in the forests of Caprica. And the rats didn't seem to be bothered by any radiation in those scenes in the city on Caprica where C-Boomer and Helo come across that one body.

No shark-jumpin' yet for me! I'm having a great time.

The only thing that confused me was how easily the resistance leader accepted Cylon Boomer as being on their side. I'd have thought he'd have her in chains at least, and more probably executed summarily.

No shark-jumpin' yet for me! I'm having a great time.

The only thing that confused me was how easily the resistance leader accepted Cylon Boomer as being on their side. I'd have thought he'd have her in chains at least, and more probably executed summarily.

The resistance leader didn't know Boomer was a Cylon, did he? I thought Helo just said "She's with us". I figured the RL just thought she was another Galactica crewmember.

But I think it's a moot point because I suspect Anders is a Cylon as well. In fact I think the whole rescue was another devious Cylon plot to make Starbuck fall in love with Anders so she's become successfully pregnant too ala Boomer. The "love/lust-on-the-run" conceptions seem remarkably similiar. Boomer said her's was the only successful pregnancy, I think the Cylons are recreating the experiment.

OR Starbuck might have already been pregnant by Baltar, and the Cylons wanted that baby. Either has interesting ramifications.

And Galactica is nowhere near jumping the shark, in fact I think it's by far the best fictional show on TV right now.

All Sharks will be put back in their holding tanks when the Pegasus shows up.

Nope, sorry, the water's blue, clear and shark free as long as my eye can see.

José

I humbly submit the phrase "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark.
No season 2 in Canada yet (my bandwidth is reserved for stuff I don't think is coming on tv eventually) so I myself am not passing any qualitative judgment whatsoever but, perhaps, you meant Galactica has been Bermanned or Great Gazooed.

The resistance leader didn't know Boomer was a Cylon, did he? I thought Helo just said "She's with us". I figured the RL just thought she was another Galactica crewmember.
That's the impression I was left with, at least on their initial meeting of C-Boomer. However, I'd been left w/the impression that at the end of the episode where they're all back at the Resistance Base that at least Anders knew the truth about C-Boomer.
But I think it's a moot point because I suspect Anders is a Cylon as well. In fact I think the whole rescue was another devious Cylon plot to make Starbuck fall in love with Anders so she's become successfully pregnant too ala Boomer. The "love/lust-on-the-run" conceptions seem remarkably similiar. Boomer said her's was the only successful pregnancy, I think the Cylons are recreating the experiment.
I don't think so, but think it's wonderful that RDM and Eick have us all so paranoid we're seeing conspiracies every where we look. :)
OR Starbuck might have already been pregnant by Baltar, and the Cylons wanted that baby. Either has interesting ramifications.
The only reason I can see for them wanting the baby is in the theory that Baltar was a Cylon, which I'm convinced he's not.
And Galactica is nowhere near jumping the shark, in fact I think it's by far the best fictional show on TV right now.
So Say We All!




I humbly submit the phrase "jumped the shark" has jumped the shark.
ROTFLMAO-PIMP! I love that line! Right on, Brother! :thumbsup:
No season 2 in Canada yet (my bandwidth is reserved for stuff I don't think is coming on tv eventually) so I myself am not passing any qualitative judgment whatsoever but, perhaps, you meant Galactica has been Bermanned or Great Gazooed.
OK I've heard a new one... "Great Gazooed"?

BTW, any word on when the new season hits you guys? Hopefully, soon! I hate that a lot of us (yes, me included) forget about ya'll outside the US not being able to watch this at about the same time we do.

I don't think the show has jumped the shark, but the theme song has. Bring back the drums!

??? They were on lost night, dude. Unless you're talking about the more orchestral, patriotic-ish version - a.k.a. "The North American Version" of the theme. Personally, I prefer the UK Theme w/the tribal drum sound that they play over the teaser scene collage.

Unless you're talking about the more orchestral, patriotic-ish version - a.k.a. "The North American Version" of the theme.Sorry, I sometimes forget people from all over the world are on this BB. Yes, I was referring to the dismal, choir-laden, there's-no-hope-for-the-human-race version. I much preferred the "tribal drum" version they used in the first season that aired here in the U.S..

Sorry, I sometimes forget people from all over the world are on this BB. Yes, I was referring to the dismal, choir-laden, there's-no-hope-for-the-human-race version. I much preferred the "tribal drum" version they used in the first season that aired here in the U.S..

Me too, the Enya-clones get on my nerves.

That's the impression I was left with, at least on their initial meeting of C-Boomer. However, I'd been left w/the impression that at the end of the episode where they're all back at the Resistance Base that at least Anders knew the truth about C-Boomer. [/quote

That's what I meant. She was speaking openly about it at that point, using "we" and "us" while referring to Cylons, and neither the resistance leader nor Starbuck was trying to shoot her. In fact, Starbuck conversed with her.


[quote]OK I've heard a new one... "Great Gazooed"?

Referring to The Flintstones, when a little green alien named the Great Gazoo showed up in a later season. I think he was voiced by Harvey Corman? Is it considered a shark-jumping event in Flintstone canon? :confused:

I don't mind the Blitish choir-voiced theme, but I do prefer the correct, American tribal version of the first year theme. It gave the show a sad, rag tag, nomadic, forlonging-for-what-you've-lost kind of feel, which went really well with the ending visual of Galactica and the RTF crusing through the Ragnar clouds.

Yes, yes, Griff, I'll "put the bong down, dude"

José

Okay, for those of us not in the know, or just not up on their North American vernacular, what the frak is "shark jumping"?

BTW, any word on when the new season hits you guys? Hopefully, soon!
I've read the Britons will get s2 Oct while the lowly Canucks hafta to wait til Jan 2006(!?!)
By that time, even *I* will have DL and watched all the eps.


Okay, for those of us not in the know, or just not up on their North American vernacular, what the frak is "shark jumping"?
When a show "jumps the shark" it has peaked creatively and all subsequent episodes are of increasingly decreasing quality.
The actual phrase is derived from an episode of "Happy Days" where Fonzie waterskis over a shark.
That episode, for many, is the dividing line between the "good" early episodes and the "bad" later episodes.
http://www.jumpingtheshark.com

That's what I meant. She was speaking openly about it at that point, using "we" and "us" while referring to Cylons, and neither the resistance leader nor Starbuck was trying to shoot her. In fact, Starbuck conversed with her.
Yeah, but they were both giving her dirty looks. Especially Starbuck.

Referring to The Flintstones, when a little green alien named the Great Gazoo showed up in a later season. I think he was voiced by Harvey Corman? Is it considered a shark-jumping event in Flintstone canon? :confused:
D'Oh! I don't know why I didn't recognize the name. Dang. OK, I'm lame since I forgot about the Great Gazoo.... :(


I don't mind the Blitish choir-voiced theme, but I do prefer the correct, American tribal version of the first year theme. It gave the show a sad, rag tag, nomadic, forlonging-for-what-you've-lost kind of feel, which went really well with the ending visual of Galactica and the RTF crusing through the Ragnar clouds.
I don't equate the opening musical sequence of the NA version of the show to "tribal drums, as it's more of a sad military cadence/march to it before you hear the loud "Huh!" and then it goes in to more of a tribal drums beat when we see the teaser-footage from that particular episode. I love how the UK opening sounds when partnered w/the tribal drums. The UK opening does sound kind of lame on it's own, tho, as the first four episodes of this season had it.

Yes, yes, Griff, I'll "put the bong down, dude"
Thanks, dude! You DaBong- er... DaBomb! :D

The "missing bodies" question was answered back last episode ("Resistance") when Starbuck made a comment about expecting to see bodies all over the place. Helo says something like "Sharon told me that they had soldiers picking up and disposing of the bodies". I can't think of a specific reason why they'd do that beyond hygenic reasons for the Human-Form Cylons not having to worry so much about disease.

I think you're kind of agreeing with me that they haven't really answered the question. So we know they removed the bodies, but why? I can think of at least one creepy reason - its a bit "Lex", if you follow me. Instead of feeding "His Divine Shadow", the Cylons could be using the human corpses processed as raw material for their bio-machines like the Raider. Just a thought.

John O.

I think you're kind of agreeing with me that they haven't really answered the question.
Could be. If so, it wasn't intentional, promise. :D

Seriously, tho, I thought you meant in this latest episode ("The Farm"). They sort of answer the question of where the bulk of the survivors are, but the question of the bodies wasn't answered, far as I've seen.
So we know they removed the bodies, but why? I can think of at least one creepy reason - its a bit "Lex", if you follow me. Instead of feeding "His Divine Shadow", the Cylons could be using the human corpses processed as raw material for their bio-machines like the Raider. Just a thought.
Eew! :eek:

Worse, they could be feeding them to the survivors at the various Farms across the various Colonies.... :freak:

I thought the episode had some good emotional moments, but I have to agree that the whole cylon religion/baby thing is getting a bit over worked.

I had also read where this episode (the farm) was supposed to be so very disturbing that the folks at SCI-FI were worried it might be over the top.

It's a safe bet that the women in the audience found the horror a little closer to home than you did!

I always thought the references made to a single child lacked both credibility and real impact beyond being a signifier to whatever the full Cylon scheme is. The breeding farms should have been guessed at for being the logical extension of that scheme, and restores to the Cylons the inhuman brutality of their zealousness that recent episodes had threatened to sweep under the carpet.

When a show "jumps the shark" it has peaked creatively and all subsequent episodes are of increasingly decreasing quality.
The actual phrase is derived from an episode of "Happy Days" where Fonzie waterskis over a shark.
That episode, for many, is the dividing line between the "good" early episodes and the "bad" later episodes.

Was that the ep when Fonzie was ga ga about Suzie Quattro (think it was her who played his love interest, could be wrong, ready to be corrected).

As I recall, Suzy Quattro played Leather Tuscadero, the little sister of Fonzie's love interest, Pinky Tuscadero. :freak:

I always thought the references made to a single child lacked both credibility and real impact beyond being a signifier to whatever the full Cylon scheme is. The breeding farms should have been guessed at for being the logical extension of that scheme, and restores to the Cylons the inhuman brutality of their zealousness that recent episodes had threatened to sweep under the carpet.

Blind zealotry is never a good thing.

My wife pointed out that while they're good at replication, what they're seeking is now procreation. They haven't mastered it, and so by their religious belief they're not fulfilling God's plan. Though by using humans as raw materials, it's also obvious that the Cylons see them as nothing more than lab rats.

José

No shark-jumpin' yet for me! I'm having a great time.

The only thing that confused me was how easily the resistance leader accepted Cylon Boomer as being on their side. I'd have thought he'd have her in chains at least, and more probably executed summarily.


Yeah that was my biggest problem, as well.
She has no moment of conflict with the Resistance over her Cylon heritage. She just kind of appears and Helo says she's with us or on our side or something. I thought Helo kept the little secret to himself for her protection. Then the next thing you know she is openly Cylon, giving out intel. Very dissapointing for a very drama driven show.

BTW for a person who got her A@# handed to her by Six only a short time ago
Kara doesn't seem to have a bruise on her. I fell off my bike two days ago and I am banged, scarred and bruised very badly. Lucky Starbuck!


Cheers,
Max Bryant

Yeah that was my biggest problem, as well.
She has no moment of conflict with the Resistance over her Cylon heritage. She just kind of appears and Helo says she's with us or on our side or something. I thought Helo kept the little secret to himself for her protection. Then the next thing you know she is openly Cylon, giving out intel. Very dissapointing for a very drama driven show.
It was a "behind the scenes" thing, apparently. I'm sure that Anders wasn't happy with it, but given as Helo and Starbuck - two military personnel - were at least "alright" with the situation, he didn't exactly have a lot of choice. That or trusts their judgement enough. I guess they could have wasted fifteen or twenty minutes of dialogue on them all arguing over why they should let C-Boomer come by, let alone continue breathing. I'd guess that her piloting of the Heavy Raider went a lot way towards Anders and any others who were let in on things at least tolerating her presence while Helo and Starbuck were around.
BTW for a person who got her A@# handed to her by Six only a short time ago
Kara doesn't seem to have a bruise on her. I fell off my bike two days ago and I am banged, scarred and bruised very badly. Lucky Starbuck!
Dude, it's at least one full week between "Resistance" and "The Farm" according to dialogue in "The Farm". Plus, it would appear that their medical technology is a lot more advanced than ours, considering how fast Starbuck was up and around after her injuries in "You Can't Go Home Again" in which we're told her knee is pretty bad (and from a deleted scene that Doc Cottle's not even sure she'll ever walk again) and then she's walking fairly well about two or three weeks later, just barely needin' a cane to lean on occasionally by the time "Colonial Day" rolls around.

^You are paying a LOT more attention to detail than me!

Not That much time has past since Resistance and The Farm. Also I agree about Medical technology, but her knee was mended by a doctor in the infirmary. I don't think she needed any medical assistance for her a@# whooping so IMO she should still show signs of being beaten up and falling. Just my opinion that with as much skin as she showed in that scene she would at least be a little black and blue.


Cheers,
Max Bryant

Not That much time has past since Resistance and The Farm.
Actually, yes it has. Re-watch the episode. I just did last night and the line is there from Gaeta about it being a week since Roslin & Apollo boarded the luxury liner Cloud Nine - events which happened at the end of "Resistance". If Gaeta were generalizing, it could be anywhere from five to nine days, IMNSHO. Plenty of time for any bruising that wasn't too deep to heal up.
Also I agree about Medical technology, but her knee was mended by a doctor in the infirmary. I don't think she needed any medical assistance for her a@# whooping so IMO she should still show signs of being beaten up and falling. Just my opinion that with as much skin as she showed in that scene she would at least be a little black and blue.
It's entirely possible that whatever meds the Doc used to heal Starbucks knee a bit sooner than would be possible by our medical standards are available to the Resistance since they've been raiding hospitals and the like. Also, Starbuck has a bandage on her left shoulder blade and it appears there might be some some pinkish scar-looking tissue on her left forehead, near her temple.

^You are paying a LOT more attention to detail than me!
Yeah... I'm sad and pathetic.

The main reason I'm paying so close attention to things is because this show isn't equipped with a "Reset Button" like Trek. I love that and so it's made me really want to pay close attention to what's happening with their timeline. All told, it's only been a little over two months since the Cylon invasion. At the end of "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part Two", it had only been something like 57 days (I think, definitely under 60) since Helo had been on Cylon Occupied Caprica. It's only been about ten or so days since Adama was shot by Boomer. So, that's puts the timeline around 10 weeks/2 1/2 months since Galactica and the RTF fled The Colonies. I've been keeping the timeline in my head, for the most part, but should prolly set it all down to an actual list sometime soon so I don't get all out of whack.

I'm not sure why I'm obsessing over this and other details of the show. Maybe I'm subconsciously trying to catch Eick and Moore in a continuity error because of all the B&B stuff we had to put up with. All I know is that it's actually kind of fun - sort of like trying to figure out what next weeks body count will be when the opening credits run thru.

Yeah, I'm a geek....

Yeah... I'm sad and pathetic.

The main reason I'm paying so close attention to things is because this show isn't equipped with a "Reset Button" like Trek. I love that and so it's made me really want to pay close attention to what's happening with their timeline. All told, it's only been a little over two months since the Cylon invasion. At the end of "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part Two", it had only been something like 57 days (I think, definitely under 60) since Helo had been on Cylon Occupied Caprica. It's only been about ten or so days since Adama was shot by Boomer. So, that's puts the timeline around 10 weeks/2 1/2 months since Galactica and the RTF fled The Colonies. I've been keeping the timeline in my head, for the most part, but should prolly set it all down to an actual list sometime soon so I don't get all out of whack.

I'm not sure why I'm obsessing over this and other details of the show. Maybe I'm subconsciously trying to catch Eick and Moore in a continuity error because of all the B&B stuff we had to put up with. All I know is that it's actually kind of fun - sort of like trying to figure out what next weeks body count will be when the opening credits run thru.

Yeah, I'm a geek....

^ Dude, pick up the bong and enjoy the show! :dude:

:lol:

José

BTW for a person who got her A@# handed to her by Six only a short time ago
Kara doesn't seem to have a bruise on her. I fell off my bike two days ago and I am banged, scarred and bruised very badly. Lucky Starbuck!


Cheers,
Max Bryant

Something to consider.
Not all people bruise a lot.
I've been in my share of fights, and had my share of falls.
I can only think of a couple times I have ever bruised.
Yes, things have swelled, and felt bruised, but you don't ever see a bruise on the skin.
I've never even had a real black eye.
Been hit in the face more times than I want to remember in Jr High (was a scrappy bugger back then) but my face never bruised either.
Sore as hell, and puffy, but no discolorations.

On the other hand, my wife bruises if the dog bumps her with her nose. :lol:

I stopped at the hobby shop yesterday and was stunned to be faced with the entire staff standing around talking about how vile nuBSG is. They were running the old BSG pilot film on the store TV at the time. It was a stunning difference from here!

^ Dude, pick up the bong and enjoy the show! :dude:

:lol:

José

So Say We All!

I stopped at the hobby shop yesterday and was stunned to be faced with the entire staff standing around talking about how vile nuBSG is. They were running the old BSG pilot film on the store TV at the time. It was a stunning difference from here!
So, did you jump in & play devil's advocate? :devil:

Yup. Didn't help.

I will say this, I think Richard Hatch is a much better actor now than then. Tom Zarek is a fascinating character and I think hatch does a great job. I loved TOS BSG as a kid, but it really is tripe. Spellcheck please?

I will say this, I think Richard Hatch is a much better actor now than then. Tom Zarek is a fascinating character and I think hatch does a great job. I loved TOS BSG as a kid, but it really is tripe. Spellcheck please?

I think Hatch is great too, though I'm sure it helps that Zarek is a much more interesting character than ol' stick-in-the-mud TOS Apollo.

It kind of reminds me of how great Kent McCord(one of the seventies most wooden actors) was in Farscape the times he appeared as Crichton's Dad. One of my favorite Farscape episodes was "A Human Reaction", I remember thinking "That's the Adam 12 guy?" the first time I saw it.

I think Hatch is great too, though I'm sure it helps that Zarek is a much more interesting character than ol' stick-in-the-mud TOS Apollo.

It kind of reminds me of how great Kent McCord(one of the seventies most wooden actors) was in Farscape the times he appeared as Crichton's Dad. One of my favorite Farscape episodes was "A Human Reaction", I remember thinking "That's the Adam 12 guy?" the first time I saw it.

Wasn't Kent McCord on Seaquest? I remember him on some other more recent sc-fi show.

Zarek will be an interesting character to watch because at this point you can't tell whether

- he's turned over a new leaf and genuinely wants to help Roslin;

-he's still in it for his greater glory (helping Roslin maintain the legitimacy of the office of the president will help him capture it in the future); or

- he's helping Roslin out as a way to recapture his youth (old revolutionaries never die, they just pick another thing to fight for)

His actions lately have really left a lot of doors open.

José

I think with Zarek its the old "The Enemy of my Enemy is my Freind" Deal.I m sure once Martial Law is Over that he will revert to His own ways.Zarek does not like Adama one bit so Of course he will help the subversion any way he can.Someone hand me the bong

is that we really don't know what he did wrong. We have two factions with a severe axe to grind against him telling us he was a terrorist. Well, was he a "bin ladin" terrorist or a "founding fathers" terrorist?

He supposedly blew up a building. was it a world trade center or front for slave trading? We don't have the details.

I lost sympathy for Roslin when she used the phrase "I'm playing the religon card" Up til then, I entertained the possibility that she might have actually been touched by whatever guiding force exists in their universe.

At the end of the day, I'm siding with the Cylons, cuz the humans haven't made a compelling case for not wiping them all out. :tongue:

PS, if the cylons wanted clean, un-radiated specimins tomake babies with, why did they set off the nukes to begin with?

I thought the "I'm playing the religious card" was a great line. You see later that She is actually confronted with the results of that when she has to bless the prisoners. Brilliant writing.

I'm with Rich. I was surprised when she said "I'm playing the religious card" because it was said with a cavalier attitude. Before then, she was reluctant to admit that she was fulfilling the prophesy thing. She says it as if it's just a weapon she can use against Adama to be wielded without a thought... later, she has to bless the prisoners and she realizes how uncomfortable it is to be a walking messiah. Great stuff!

José

....PS, if the cylons wanted clean, un-radiated specimins tomake babies with, why did they set off the nukes to begin with?
Or why did Six kill that baby in the miniseries?

I always thought it was a mercy killing because Six knew the nukes were about to be set off.

If there are competing agendas among the cylons, the genocide makes more sense. Some may want to "kill them all and let god sort them out" and others may be exploring the breeding option.

If all want genocide, there's no dramatic need for the experimentation. If all want to breed new "model" , then there was no need for the attack (at least not until the experiments were done)

Battlestar Galactica ain't nowhere close to jumping the shark. That show keeps me on the edge of my seat like (sorry guys) no Trek show has ever done. And I really liked (and still do) the Trek franchise. In fact, I'm more worried about the future of Star Trek than I am Galactica. By far.

Wasn't Kent McCord on Seaquest? I remember him on some other more recent sc-fi show. According to the IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0566382/), in addition to playing "Jack Crichton" on Farscape, his science fiction credits include, but are not limited to "Commander Scott Keller" in Seaquest, "Mr Unger" in Airplane II, "Captain Pilgrim" in Predator II ... and as a painful reminder, He ALSO played "Captain Troy" (aka Boxey all grown up) in "Galactica:1980".