HELLO ALL,
JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT THE X2 REAR POD CONVERSION FOR THE ASSOCIATED 10L SERIES PAN CAR STILL EXSISTS AND STILL FITS ANY PAN CAR THAT USES A ASSOCIATED REAR POD. I ALSO WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE HAD ABOUT THE CONVERSION KIT. SO, GO TO THE WEBSITE, CHECK IT OUT AND SEE IF THE X2 REAR POD CONVERSION IS SOMETHING THAT YOUR INTERESTED IN. THANK YOU, SEE YOU IN THE WINNER CIRCLE.
WEBSITE: http://home.comcast.net/~robertgtourangeau/

Bob T

What is the purpose of adding more unsprung weight to the rear pod? It does affect the suspension any.

Z Main,
We came up with the X2 Pod to put weight on the left side of the pod to help plant the rearend as you are going threw the corners, plus it allows you to get back on the throttle sooner in the corner without upsetting the car. The X2 Rear Pod works better for Modified than Stock however, you can use it for ethier. I hope that answers your question, Thank you for asking.

Bob T

This is a nice unit guys...Had one on my L4 before I sold it.....And best of all..It doesnt
bend as easy as the IRS ones that come with the L4 Factory Team kit.....If I ever pick up another L4 this would be the first Bolt on I would get for it......ALso met Bob T....
good people to deal with....

Thanks for the good words.

Bob T

Not sure if the added wheelbase, and the added resistance in a battery pack from having to split it up is worth it though... my .02

If you put your front end on the shortest wheelbase the car will not be any longer than normal and if your batteries are so close to the edge that you have to be concerned about the added resistance of a 3" wire then maybe you should use the X2 Rear Pod to hold your speed control or any weight that you might have to add to the car, you don't have to use it for a battery cell. My .02

Bob T

I seen a guy running that at my track, he set the track record and i was wondering who makes it, well i best be ordering me one or two of those cuz i guess by the sounds of it you guys like the performance increases???

It is basically the same concept of the hyperdrive adrenalin.. Just for associated based cars... we all know it worked well on the adrenalin, im sure it can work good here as well.

I didnt use the little graphite piece to hold 1 cell.....Just used the pod plates.......The wheelbase was no longer than the IRS ones that come with the L4 factory team kit....
I liked it because I found the irs pod bent fairly easy.....This unit stands up alot better.......That alone was reason enough for me to purchase this unit...If I picked up another L4 I would purchase another one of these units.....No doubt

burbs,
You are exactly correct, infact we came out with the X2 rear pod right after the Adrenalin came out so that the 10L could compete with a more expensive car and offer the same handling features on a entry level car, at that time.

Bob T

I have a question regarding this. Like you stated it adds unsprung weight to the rear end. The more unsprung weight, the more drag there is on the axle. Most cars are light to begin with. What is the difference between this and just adding lead to the back end. I am always in a quest to reduce unsprung weight to reduce drag in the car. So why would you want to add weight?

Jamie, you are correct. Unsprung weight causes drag, and does not allow for several things that suspension should be accomplishing, like sticking tires to the ground without dragging the axle, transferring weight properly, etc. etc.

Unsprung weight on these cars DO NOT cause drag. "Not when we are talking about the weight of one cell or speed controller........."

Kenny@RAPTOR

Ken, you might be right, but from my personal exp, stuff always ran better for me when the rear pod was as light as possible, I never found by adding weight to the rear pod a car worked better, and I have tried. I rigged up a piece of graphite years ago on a old 10lss to hang lead over the left rear tire to try that... made the car very goofy. I always tried it, simply beacuse noone else was doing it, never once had the car run any better because of it. I got more goofy looks then good track results.

I rigged up a piece of graphite years ago on a old 10lss to hang lead over the left rear tire to try that...

Over the tire? I would crack a smile at you myself....lol

That design is like 100 others different designs, some tracks they work to your advantage, and some tracks it's useless. But it has nothing to do with unsprung weight, because your not talking about enough weight. It would be a whole different can of worms if you stuck the entire pack of batteries on the sidee of the pod....lol

Kenny

Unsprung weight has nothing to do with drag. It doesn't matter whether it is a small amount or a large amount. Your car weighs 2.63 lb so that means there is a 2.63lb force in the upward direction distributed amongst the bearings. This doesn't change when the weight is sprung or unsprung.

The reason why you don't want unsprung mass is that it makes the suspension slower to react due to increased inertia. Thus, when you go over a bump the suspension can't react quickly enough and the tire loses contact with the surface and you lose traction.

So Kenny, why aren't any of your cars designed like this? Growing up with stock cars my whole life, everything I've learned and read says the less unsprung weigh the better. You're suppose to tune the car with the suspension. Nascar does everything from using lightweight shock, mounting brackets, gears, wheels, rotors and calipers, anything moving. Unsprung weight puts laterial forces on the tire causing less of the contact patch to be used. Using the suspension to plant the left rear lets the weigh press down on the contact patch and allows for weight on the right rear to do the same. I know its just the weight of a cell or speedo but I can use sprung weight just as well to beat you.

Z-Main Loser: Maybe you need to wait and see the V³ Predator.

Would you not consider our motors to be unsprung weight? I would. But in a real stock car, are theirs? Nope. So if unsprung weight was like you said, don't you think they would spend alittle more time reducing the weight of our motors?

And if you ever beat me, you can bet it's not because of unsprung or sprung weight issues.

Back to the topic at hand......Nothing wrong with the X2 pod design. It will run with any other pod out there. Keep up the good work!

Kenny@RAPTOR

Z-Main

Yes, as I posted right above yours unsprung weight is GENERALLY bad. Your reason of why is incorrect or at least incorrectly worded. The explanation I gave before is the correct one.

On a case by case basis the extra unsprung weight on the left rear can be an advantage. Basically, in a given situation the extra weight on the left rear this pod gives improves handling to a greater degree than the extra unspruing mass hurts handling. That was a poor sentence but you can get the idea.

Hi guy's,
Great discussion, we appreciate all the support. The X2 Rear Pod has been out for about 3 years now, we have sold about 150 of them all over the country and of those people that have them or have had them not 1 of them has said that it did not improve the handling of there car so, that's what we have to go by. We think it's a good product and we know that it makes a Associated based Pod work better. We are going to take the X2 Rear Pod mounted on the Brent's ProParts car to the Snowbirds in February to see how it does hope to see you there. Thanks again for your Support.

Bob T

It was a sight to see the lead sitting above the rear tire, strip of graphite, and 2 standoff's did the job.

I think that maybe on a glass smooth track, this could be a good way of sticking the left rear to the track, I have heard of stock car guys using weighted front spindles on teh left front ( illegeal ) to keep that tire on the heavy side, kinda the same idea I guess.


Good luck with it at snowbirds this year guys.. if you are looking to test it against the best of the best, nowhere better to do it then there.

Jason,
I agree, if we can do well with it at the Snowbirds then, we will have bragging rights. We'll see !

Bob T

Here is an idea along the same line......Why are we splitting a battery pack apart increasing resistance in the series when can just start mounting the wings to the pod again. A wing mounted to the pod will accomplish the same thing would it not. It is putting more weight on the rear tires. The reason we took wings off the pod was to get weight off the rear axle and get more weight in the suspension of the car.


P.S....I am not trying to cause trouble, I am just trying to understand why.

You do have a point.. the added resistance of the pack is a definate downside. Only time I have run a wing on the rear pod and not the body was racing on cap tires... it seemed to allow the car to turn better then with the wing on the body. Maybe this will allow the car to run without the wing for slower classes like stock on a flat track, or something like that... if you are a believer that the wing slows a car down.

you could also run your speed control on that spot instead of a cell..

That's why we changed the bottom plate recently, to be able to accomedate a speedcontrol or any weight that you might have to add to the car so, if breaking the battery pack appart and adding a 3" wire to it is a problem there are different ways to accomplish the same thing.

Bob T

Getting close to starting up the fall and winter seasons at some of the tracks, I hope everyone has a good year.

Bob T

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I'm going to Put the X2 Rear Pod conversion on the Silva X Factor (it should bolt right up with only changing the battery tray back to the original 10L4 tray) to see what it does to the car. I'll let you know the results.

Bob T

Will the rear pod's fit a standard 10L4 bottom plate, or do you need to use your bottom plate??

Nozz1,
Yes, you can use just the alluminum extended pod plates, they will bolt up to the original bottom plate.

Bob T

The test was successful the X2 Rear Pod worked great on the Silva X Factor, Check out some pictures


Bob T

Hello all,
R3designs has brought back the Silver Aluminum Side plates both separately and in the complete kit, check them out on the website. Talk to you soon
http://users.adelphia.net/~robertgtourangeau/

Bob T

link doesnt work..

im not getting it either

Sorry I'm having host problems I should have it fixed in a couple of days.

Bob T

the link is fixed check it out

Bob T

The website has been refreshed and is fully operational. Check it out when you get a chance. Getting ready to take the X2 Rear Pod to the Snowbirds to see how it does with all that competition. See everyone there.

http://users.adelphia.net/~robertgtourangeau/

Bob T

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Getting excited about the Snowbirds, only 45 days, should be fun

Bob T

We are going to be running the X2 Pod on the Silva Xfactor in 4cell 19turn class. only 15 days left till the Snowbirds, can't wait.

Bob T

hi bob......GOOD LUCK AT THE BIRDS TO YOU AND THE BOYS. I'LL BE CALLING YOU SOON AS WE NEED SOME EXTENDED POD PLATES AT R/C SPEEDWAY, FAIRFIELD, ME. DAVE

Dave,
Thank you, we'll give it our best shot, at the moment we are planning on coming up for Cabin Fever if your still going to have it on 25-26 February 2006, there's a week break in between so we should make it. Hope to see you then.

Bob T

DUDE, that anodizing ROCKS!!! Where did you get it done at? LOVE THE ORANGE/GOLD

Beach

Beach,
We used a company in Ct. last summer, we had 5 cars worth of aluminum done. thank you, it's very different i haven't seen orange annodizing before.

Bob T

Your welcome, do you know if they do general public? I would love to have mine done. Do you have a number for them? Thanks, Jim

Jim Hobby shopper does cuztom annodizing

Jo-Jo

BEACH
here is the company and phone # that did ours, sorry to take so long to get back to you. Only 5 more days till the BIRDS.

Modern Metal Finish
203-267-1510

Bob T

Hi Bob, Yes The Cabin Fever Race Will Be Feb 26 And I Look Forward To Seeing You. I'll Contact You After The Birds. Once Again, Good Luck And Have Fun! Dave