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James :)

Interesting choice! :cool:

I was hoping for Anne Lockhart.

Love her. Seriously ...just not often enough....:devil: Should be a fun set of episodes.

John O.

I hope they keep the ship and her around for more than 2 episodes instead of killing them off like in the original series.

Tho Larson did state that the Pegasus/Cain and the crew did escape death and were going to return in a second season episode that had been drawn up.

I hope they keep the ship and her around for more than 2 episodes instead of killing them off like in the original series.

Tho Larson did state that the Pegasus/Cain and the crew did escape death and were going to return in a second season episode that had been drawn up.

Yeah, I was under the impression that the Pegasus had survived at the end of "Living Legend". It's an interesting choice, I was hoping for Lockhart too, but I also like Forbes. The only thing that concerns me is that people will start whining about how "bitchy" Forbes' Cain is... sort of like what happened with Elizabeth Dennehy's Commander Shelby on TNG's "Best of Both Worlds".

José

Hell, people are already whining about Cain being a woman...

The only thing that concerns me is that people will start whining about how "bitchy" Forbes' Cain is... sort of like what happened with Elizabeth Dennehy's Commander Shelby on TNG's "Best of Both Worlds".

José

I loved Elizabeth Dennehy and Ronny Cox as two officers who didn't quite fit the TNG "perfect officer" mold. The Cox episodes were two of my favorites simply because Cox didn't turn out to: A)Be a Romulan or Klingon spy and B)have a "warm & fuzzy" moment toward the end where he apologises and everybody hugs and he see's the error of his way. I expected either in the second part, I loved that Cox came onboard a prick, and left still a prick at the end, without being "enlightened" by Troi or Riker. And Dennehy was the hottest visiting starfleet officer with the exception of my soulmate Ashley Judd, imho.

I think Forbes will be great, I liked her Ensign Ro, though the show didn't do much with her. I especially liked the episode where everyone's memory was erased and she playfully seduced Riker. She was good on Homicide too.

I was hoping for Anne Lockhart.
So was I! I've been saying that for about two weeks now over at TrekBBS and the SciFi.com BBoards. She can play tough and I'd bet she could be a real cast-iron beyotch if necessary. While she's usually played the "really, really, really nice" character roles, she's proven - if only to me - that she's got the chops for something like this. Plus, she's about the right age, whereas Ms. Forbes is about 20 years younger than Adama/Olmos.

Still, as has been hashed out at the SciFi.com BBoards, Admiral Cain could be one of those "fast burners" who's been groomed for her position, while Adama has been looked upon as one of those "old warhorses" who was about to be put out to pasture - along w/the last Battlestar of "her kind".

NBC is advertising BSG on Saturday night. First I heard of it on there.

Is NBC going to have it on over the air broadcasting?

NBC is advertising BSG on Saturday night. First I heard of it on there.

NBC aired the last three episodes of Season 1 Saturday night to promote the Season 2 premeire on the Sci-fi Channel.

Er... Those weren't the last three episodes, actually. "Colonial Day" came between "The Hand of God" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part One". However, of the four, those were the better three.

Er... Those weren't the last three episodes, actually. "Colonial Day" came between "The Hand of God" and "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part One". However, of the four, those were the better three.

Doh! They were good all in a row though, I was watching them while working on my Galactica! All three episodes had some great FX, I loved those shots of the squad of Vipers flying thru the flak on their bombing run on "Hand".

Couldn't tell much from the "exclusive season two preview" other than it looks pretty exciting, Olmos wasn't in a single shot iirc which I hope isn't permanent. One other thing is obvious from watching all three episodes in a row though, either Lt Gaeta (sp?the bridge officer) is a Cylon, or Moore and co want you to think he's a Cylon as a red herring to cover another more surprising Cylon.

Here's a point. They were running out of aircraft and pilots. Now like the TOS-BSG they get rearmed.

I'm hoping that we're not left w/the feeling that Pegasus showing up and possibly disappearing again like in TOS BSG doesn't leave me feeling like the use of Pegasus isn't a deux ex machina sorta deal. I want it to further the storyline, yes, but don't want to feel cheated by it showing up, getting blown up and then we're done with it. In TOS, Cain & Pegasus were going to show up in a 2nd season episode that, obviously, never aired.

Of course, I've not been seriously disappointed w/a thing that Moore and Eick have done w/this series so far, so there's no reason to think they'll hose up the two-parter w/Cain. I don't know if I want the show to move to NBC, tho. Seems like whenever the execs at the big networks get involved, shows start going downhill 'cause they get "dumbed down" for the people who are on life-support and in a coma.... :rolleyes:

snip ... Of course, I've not been seriously disappointed w/a thing that Moore and Eick have done w/this series so far, so there's no reason to think they'll hose up the two-parter w/Cain. You mean you haven't heard??



I can't believe you haven't heard!!



Apparently, Ron Moore is doing a couple of old colleagues a favor by hiring them as a "special" guest writing team ...

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Berman & Braga!!



:tongue: :wave:
[Ducks and runs for cover.....]

^ Dude, that is so not funny... :jest: :P

José

Here's a point. They were running out of aircraft and pilots. Now like the TOS-BSG they get rearmed.

I agree totally. If you look at everything at a very base level everythings thats happened on the new BSG, has happened on the old BSG.

They took the whole living legend story and divided it up. The fuel crisis from L.L. has already played out in first season. The Cain aspect will now play out in second season.

Adama gets critically injured during a clyon attack in TOS, and Adama got critically injured from a cylon attack at the end of this past season.

There are others of course.

This new BSG has been so realistic in the things like the number of pilots and Vipers. Its very obvious that one of the byproducts of meeting the Pegasus is the restocking of pilots and Vipers from whatever Cain goes off to do.
Though keep in mind, these should be Viper Mark VII's.
(I liked the Mark II's better).

BTW: I never thought of Gaeda as a cylon, but your right, he's the right age and he did first pin Baltar in that photo and later said it was a fake.
What other clues are there?

How long has the rumor been floating around that Cain was going to be cast as a woman?

From the begining, I was really hoping that Jeff Bridges would have been cast as Cain. I think he would have done a good job and it would have been interesting for him to play a role that his father had.

To quote several characters from the series (and the Pithian prophecies)...
"All of this has happened before ... and all of this will happen again."

BTW: I never thought of Gaeda as a cylon, but your right, he's the right age and he did first pin Baltar in that photo and later said it was a fake.
What other clues are there?


I think the biggest is the last minute of the finale. While I don't think Gaeda passed her a gun as some have said (I think she and her REO are both already packing when they enter the bridge), it does appear to me that he says something to her, and seconds later she blast Adama.

Her both blowing up the Cylon Basestar and shooting Adama seem to indicate Gaeda either told her to, or "activated" her somehow. If she's still under Cylon control why blow up the Basestar? She could have shot Adama a half dozen times before.

Of course, just to muddy the waters more, why didn't the "Sharons" on the Basestar stop Boomer from leaving the bomb if the cylons had her under enough control to make her shoot Adama?And another interesting questions,why does a Cylon, with superior intellect and reflexes, shoot Adama twice in the body? Two in the head would have been much more for sure....

I think the answer to both is the "new" Cylons are playing the humans and the "old" Cylons against each other for their own agenda.

I thought it was gonna be Baltar for awhile,and Gaeda was a "red herring", but I'm more sure after the NBC repeat it's Gaeda.

Of course, just to muddy the waters more, why didn't the "Sharons" on the Basestar stop Boomer from leaving the bomb if the cylons had her under enough control to make her shoot Adama?

Maybe by blowing up the Basestar the hope was for Boomer to gain sufficient trust among the humans that'll gain her better access to Adama...?

Maybe it was to raise a false sense of accomplishment among the Colonials before the Cylons squashed them like bugs in the dust?

Maybe the Cylons purposely outed Boomer since Helo had discovered her identity. Why not out her in a blaze of glory? This is my best guess since, as you've pointed out, she had access to Adama before and could've taken him out earlier.

And another interesting questions,why does a Cylon, with superior intellect and reflexes, shoot Adama twice in the body? Two in the head would have been much more for sure....

My guess is that the human Sharon was fighting her Cylon impulses.

José

What other clues are there?1) He knew about the "new piece of equipment" (the Cylon transponder) in CIC and didn't report it.
2) He plotted Boomer's initial jump to Kobol.
3) He's always close to Baltar ... perhaps protecting him??
4) And the most damning evidence of all ... He didn't wash his hands after using the turbo-flush!! ;)

I think the biggest is the last minute of the finale. While I don't think Gaeda passed her a gun as some have said (I think she and her REO are both already packing when they enter the bridge), it does appear to me that he says something to her, and seconds later she blast Adama.
I think Gaeta (correct spelling per the SciFi.com - Battlestar Galactica Characters page (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/characters/)) says something to the effect of "We've had it pretty rough here" or words close to that.
Her both blowing up the Cylon Basestar and shooting Adama seem to indicate Gaeda either told her to, or "activated" her somehow.
Yeah, that's what I thought the first time I saw that scene. I'm hoping I'm wrong, 'cause Gaeta is pretty kewel, in a techno-geek sorta way.

If she's still under Cylon control why blow up the Basestar?
That's a definite quandry. Possibly, "Sharon" was so psyched that the Cylon part of her couldn't take over. Or it was all part of the seemingly ever-complex Plan.
She could have shot Adama a half dozen times before.
Possibly because of the timing of events? Things were already chaotic with the apparent "coup" by Adama, right? Throw in Apollo being in "irons" from pointing a gun at Tigh and you shoot Adama to throw things way over the edge.
Of course, just to muddy the waters more, why didn't the "Sharons" on the Basestar stop Boomer from leaving the bomb if the cylons had her under enough control to make her shoot Adama?And another interesting questions,why does a Cylon, with superior intellect and reflexes, shoot Adama twice in the body? Two in the head would have been much more for sure....
'Cause if he's alive, there's anarchy in the minds of some folks - Adama might survive, so you just carry on as you think he'd want. If he's dead, that solidifies people's thinking on how they need to run their lives - there's still a "doubt", nothing solid where that near-dead person is confused.
I think the answer to both is the "new" Cylons are playing the humans and the "old" Cylons against each other for their own agenda.
That's something I've been wondering, too. There's definitely something going on, as it almost seems as if the Human-form Cylons have a lot of disdain for the "toasters". Almost as if they treat them like servants....
I thought it was gonna be Baltar for awhile,and Gaeda was a "red herring", but I'm more sure after the NBC repeat it's Gaeda.
I don't think that even Moore and Eick have decided for sure who else might be Cylon's. Again, I hope that Gaeta's not a Cylon.

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My guess is that the human Sharon was fighting her Cylon impulses.
Just like I think that the Cylon part of Boomer was fighting her humanity when she was gonig to eat her pistol - but somehow managed to shoot herself in the side of the cheek.

I think that the Cylons were happy to trade one Basestar to take out Adama. Obviously, they have plenty of firepower, and the occassion of nuking the Basestar gave Sharon an excuse to see Adama. Maybe the Cylon activation programming just hadn't taken full effect, and she was able to complete her mission. I'm sure RDM will do something interesting with it in the coming episodes...can't wait!

I think that the Cylons were happy to trade one Basestar to take out Adama. Obviously, they have plenty of firepower, and the occassion of nuking the Basestar gave Sharon an excuse to see Adama. Maybe the Cylon activation programming just hadn't taken full effect, and she was able to complete her mission. I'm sure RDM will do something interesting with it in the coming episodes...can't wait!

Errr, don't forget Adama came to Sharon's cabin alone to ask her to take out the Basestar just before that. She still had her gun, and don't forget Six's warning that she is capable of, and very well might rip the head off whoever discovers her. She could have taken him out then and saved a Basestar.

Griff's point that seriously wounding Adama might serve their purposes more than killing him is an interesting one I hadn't thought of, and could potentially imply volumes.

It all kind of reminds me of a line from one of William Gibson's books (Neuromancer I think) where a character states,"The problem with dealing with an AI is motive". I think the new Cylons have one. And if Moore and co stay true to form, it could be almost anything.

If you go to TrekToday.com, there is a link to a site with tons of spoilers about Season 2, none of which I will share here.

Huzz

If you go to TrekToday.com, there is a link to a site with tons of spoilers about Season 2, none of which I will share here.

Huzz

Thank you! I'd rather guess!

I explained it to my buddy this way. Cylons are flawed, just like humans. Sometimes their base programming gets in the way of their mission, remember Shelly Gottfried? Boomers base programming is she doesn't know she's a Cylon. I also think the Cylons get fouled up with communication issues at times, like in "Flesh and Bone".

Phil - if there is one thing I would NEVER do, its post a spoiler. I'm looking forward to the new season just like the rest of us!
Huzz

Going under the theory that the Cylons decided to "out" Sharon (the Six model didn't like her anyway), I wonder if the Basestar Boomer blew up had the remaining Sharon models.

Griff - You gave me a lot to think about with your theory that the Cylons prefer Adama being close to death rather than outright dead.

José

The basestar the G-Sharon & Racetrack blew up is one of those interesting things that I think a lot of folks have overlooked. If you've got the episode saved to your Hd, DVDR or VHS re-watch when the Raptor is moving in to the docking bays of the 'star. There is a LOT of activity around that 'star when they get up close to it - a lot of ships appear to be leaving the basestar, to include some Cylon Tankers (conclusion drawn because they look a LOT like the TOS Cylon Tankers from "Saga of a Star World" that Apollo and Zak come across in that cloud).

Why were all those ships leaving? If they weren't all leaving, why was there so much activity around it...?

How's that for getting you thinkin'? :)

Hmmm, the implication is that the Basestar was indeed, intended to be a part of some, dare I say, nefarious plan? (rubs imaginary goatee)

José

The basestar the G-Sharon & Racetrack blew up is one of those interesting things that I think a lot of folks have overlooked. If you've got the episode saved to your Hd, DVDR or VHS re-watch when the Raptor is moving in to the docking bays of the 'star. There is a LOT of activity around that 'star when they get up close to it - a lot of ships appear to be leaving the basestar, to include some Cylon Tankers (conclusion drawn because they look a LOT like the TOS Cylon Tankers from "Saga of a Star World" that Apollo and Zak come across in that cloud).

Why were all those ships leaving? If they weren't all leaving, why was there so much activity around it...?

How's that for getting you thinkin'? :)

I'm not buying that one, when I watched the the NBC repeat I specifically watched that scene to make sure Sharon and the Cylons hadn't pulled a fast one. While it's possible I guess, it sure looked like the basestar and it's cloud of ships, in the immortal words of SCTV, blew up real gud!

I ain't sayin' that the Basestar didn't get blowed up real good. What I'm sayin' is that it might have been a nearly empty 'star, w/the quite a few fighters, tankers and other auxiliary craft down on Kobol. They were in that docking bay long enough for all those ships that were moving away from the 'star could have easily gotten far enough away not to have been caught in the blast.

If I could take what I think what Jeff's saying a little further: The Basestar was a plant or a decoy. They wanted the humans to think they struck a major victory against the Cylons when in fact they simply did what the Cylons wanted them to do. When the Basestar blew up it did very little damage to the Cylon forces because it was empty or nearly empty. Personally I think it was full of Sharon models because they were no longer needed.

mmmm, a Basestar full of Sharons.... :drool:

José

Yeah, whatta waste of a Basestar full of nekkid Sharon's, eh...?

Completely off topic, sorta...

The call signs of the pilots are relly starting to annoy me. Anyone else notice that 2 fo the pilots that got blown up were called "Fireball" and "Hot Dog"? Do you really want a wing man named Fireball??? :freak:

I'm waiting to see if they call one of them "Dead Meat" a la Hot Shots.

Actually, HotDog survived in "The Hand of God" and the actor/character are scheduled to come back for several episodes in Season 2.

But yeah, some of the callsigns seem a bit lame in regards to the first time you hear them the pilot's about to get blown up. But then again, I've known pilots w/callsigns like "Meat", "Mutant", "Balls", "Backdraft", "Punt" and others that are both juvenile and just plain stupid by normal standards. The callsigns don't really follow any real rhyme or reason, being given by other pilots at their whim. So, "Fireball" isn't exactly off the mark, I guess. Any more so then "Boomer". ;)

Yeah, whatta waste of a Basestar full of nekkid Sharon's, eh...?

No kidding. :( :cry:


So, "Fireball" isn't exactly off the mark, I guess. Any more so then "Boomer".

Ever wonder why they call her "Boomer"?

The call signs of the pilots are relly starting to annoy me. Anyone else notice that 2 fo the pilots that got blown up were called "Fireball" and "Hot Dog"? Do you really want a wing man named Fireball???

I'm waiting to see if they call one of them "Dead Meat" a la Hot Shots.

So the call signs are the new BSG version of the TOS Ensign Redshirt (Or for you fans of the other Larson, the "Bummer of a birthmark Hal")? We should come up with a list of "Call Signs for the doomed". I'll respectfully submit the following:

- Target
- DMF (Dead Man Flyin')
- Kaboom
- SMR (Send my regards)
- D'OH!
- Aw, Crap!
- Million Pieces
- Ya Blow Up Gud
- Flash in the pan
- Rick Springfield

José

The actor that plays "Hot Dog" is EJO's son.

I ain't sayin' that the Basestar didn't get blowed up real good. What I'm sayin' is that it might have been a nearly empty 'star, w/the quite a few fighters, tankers and other auxiliary craft down on Kobol. They were in that docking bay long enough for all those ships that were moving away from the 'star could have easily gotten far enough away not to have been caught in the blast.

You might be right, as my wife loves to point out I'm frequently wrong. It looked to me like the explosion got the basestar and the cloud of ships, but one thing not brought up yet gives your theory credibility:
Why didn't the Cylons know the transponder was compromised and blow Boomer and Starbuck out of the sky??

Even if Boomer is "conflicted", Six knew it was discovered long ago (as did Gaeta)as well as the Kevin Spacey-looking guy they left on the armory. So either it was a set-up of some kind, or as I said, the "new kids" are playing the humans and Toaster against each other. Six and co already have the humans down to managable levels, the Basestar and refinery might be the start of the Toaster's reduction as well.

Either way it's fun to speculate on!

We should come up with a list of "Call Signs for the doomed".

José

DRT-(Due To Retire Tomorrow)

Shakey (Jim Lovell's real call sign)

Wrong Way

Spas

Easily Excited

Easily Distracted

Family Man (any pilot with pictures of the wife & kids in the cockpit is doomed)

Wash Out (Stolen from Hotshots)

Secret Keeper-(When only one person knows a secret identity, he's doomed shortly before he can reveal it)

Combustible

Cross Hairs

I can't believe I missed these:

- RIP
- Young-optimistic-guy-who-lifts-everyone's-spirits (YOGWLES)
- Young-enthusiastic guy-whose-whole-life-is-ahead-of-him (YEGWWLIAOH)
- The Minority

José

Recently Married Christian Person or RMCP

Err...in this case, aren't the Cylons the Judeo/Christian/Muslim types?

I think "redshirt" would be a good callsign for a doomed pilot, if just as a very, very brief inside joke.

I wasn't being BSG specific in my call sign for a doomed pilot's callsign.
I also think any callsign with reference to waterfowl pretty much guarantees you buy it.

"Duck?"