It's the end of an era and one best kept secrets ever, and he wasn't even highly suspected over the years!:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/05/31/deep.throat/

Damn!! And I always thought it was Linda Lovelace!

You mean it wasn't? Funny, it sure looked like her in the movie...

You mean it wasn't? Funny, it sure looked like her in the movie...

Now you know why he didn't speak up sooner.

Now you know why he didn't speak up sooner.Sure, his mouth was full. :drunk:

Dang it, I was hoping it was Buchanan.

José

The depth of my non-caring is staggering. [shrug]

Yep, pretty much my opinion John. When they announce who really killed Kennedy, somebody wake me. Aside from that...

Yep, pretty much my opinion John. When they announce who really killed Kennedy, somebody wake me. Aside from that...

J.F.K. is still alive. He's living on an island with Jim Morrison and Elvis.

You mean it wasn't? Funny, it sure looked like her in the movie...

Welllllll, they did say he was "hand picked" by J Edgar Hoover......

OH thats smarts!

J.F.K. is still alive. He's living on an island with Jim Morrison and Elvis.Oh, right. I keep forgetting that for some reason. :confused:

I always thought it was Nixon's dog. :jest:

He can't be Deep Throat! He was killed in the first season of The X-Files!!!

Yep, pretty much my opinion John. When they announce who really killed Kennedy, somebody wake me. Aside from that...

Actually, there's a pretty good book called Case Closed that pretty much does exactly that!

Actually, there's a pretty good book called Case Closed that pretty much does exactly that!

You're kidding, right?

The guy who wrote that, Posner, is the most pathetic apologist for the Warren Commission I've ever come across. Geezus, the guy can't even repudiate Garrison, let alone all the stuff in the CROSSFIRE book or BEST EVIDENCE.

I think the only reason Posner got as much airplay as he did was because he was Chris Sarandon-looking for awhile (much prettier than the conspiracy folk), but now he has had some seriously fucked up plastic surgery that (IMO) has exposed in a visual fashion his vile soul.

Posner as Poseur?

on topic, I had heard Fletcher Proutty was deepthroat, so this is a big surprise to me.

You're kidding, right?

The guy who wrote that, Posner, is the most pathetic apologist for the Warren Commission I've ever come across. Geezus, the guy can't even repudiate Garrison, let alone all the stuff in the CROSSFIRE book or BEST EVIDENCE.

I think the only reason Posner got as much airplay as he did was because he was Chris Sarandon-looking for awhile (much prettier than the conspiracy folk), but now he has had some seriously fucked up plastic surgery that (IMO) has exposed in a visual fashion his vile soul.

Posner as Poseur?



It's been years since I read the book, but I found it pretty convincing. You can either believe there was a global conspiracy to assasinate a US president , an elaborate byzantine operation that went off flawlessly and remains secret to this day. Or you can believe Oswald got off five shots and was a lucky mediocre shot. A big point that convinced me, the well-documented and absolutely mundane set of circumstances that led to Oswald working in that book depository that October. And Posner's argument that a lot of the confusion and conspiracy theories were the result of the various CYA done by everyone after the assasination seemed compelling.

And you might want to look a little harder at Garrison, he was not exactly Kevin Costner. Even Oliver Stone on the last version of the JFK DVD allows Garrison had demons, problems, and agendas of his own.

One personal note to all the Kennedy Conspiracy stuff. Back in the eighties I actually visited the book depository and square. The JFK movie and all the conspiracy documentaries always make it look like Oswald performed an amazing bit of shooting. In reality, the plaza is surpringly small, when you see it in real life it doesn't seem like such a unfathomable feat.

In a weird Twilight Zone moment (insert theme here), about fifteen minutes after I posted that I turned on the Daily Show, and who was the guest but Gerald Posner. He is a odd looking guy, I thought he had been a burn victim!

But he did seem sharp, and his new book about the American-Saudi relationship sounded interesting as well.

on topic, I had heard Fletcher Proutty was deepthroat, so this is a big surprise to me.

I was rooting for Al Haig. The irony would have been nice.

^ I think Buchanan or Kissinger would've been a bigger irony than Al "I'm in charge here" Haig.

José

Nixon pissed off Hoover by asking him to have the FBI labs fake evidence against political opponents. Hoover said no, which led to the creation of the plumbers, which led to watergate.
It seems kind of obvious in retrospect that the FBI would want to twist the knife.

I think there must by a degree of dissappointment among the political buffs and conspiracy theorists.

There have been so many wild and intriguing possibilities named as Deep Throat. Martha Mitchell was one...a whacky caharacter if you are old enough to remember her. As mentioned, Al Haig and even Henry Kissinger were named.

There is a natural tendency to WANT some fantastic revelation. Wouldn't it be astounding if Deep Throat was one of the President's close confidants?

Instead, Deep Throat turns out to be slightly disgruntled FBI functionary who has been the leading suspect for 35 years.


**OFF topic note one: In defense of Al Haig. Did anyone actually see and listen to Al Haig immediately following the attempted assassination of President Reagan? I actually watched it on LIVE TV. Confused reporters were at the White House trying to get info. The VP wasn't in the building. A reporter asked who was in charge and was obviously referring to who was responsible for the dissemination of information about the event.

Al Haig said, "I am in charge HERE AT THE WHITE HOUSE...PENDING THE RETURN OF THE VICE PRESIDENT". Haig clearly meant that he would was the senior official ON SITE until the VP returned. He said that for the benefit of the press who was trying to get info from every Tom, Dick and Harry.

At no time did Haig ever claim to be in charge of anything other than the gaggle of reporters . Like him or not, Haig is smart enough to understand the constitutional line of succession. The idea that he claimed , "I am in charge" is a perfect example of a remark taken out of context and it has now become a 25 year old urban myth.

OFF Topic note two: Every legitimate news organization who investigated the assassination of President Kennedy has concluded the same thing. ABC news did a fantastic special a couple of years ago and I'm begging for it on DVD. The inescapable conclusion is always the same. Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, killed the President.

BTW, have any of you ever seen a picture of Lee Harvey Oswald's daughter? Wow...talk about spooky. As God is my witness, she looks like Oswald in a wig! (note to conspiracy theorists...please don't claim it IS Oswald in a wig :)).

^ Thanks for those off topic remarks, Brent! I always thought Al Haig got a bum rap for that "incident".

Jay

**OFF topic note one: In defense of Al Haig. Did anyone actually see and listen to Al Haig immediately following the attempted assassination of President Reagan? I actually watched it on LIVE TV. Confused reporters were at the White House trying to get info. The VP wasn't in the building. A reporter asked who was in charge and was obviously referring to who was responsible for the dissemination of information about the event.

Al Haig said, "I am in charge HERE AT THE WHITE HOUSE...PENDING THE RETURN OF THE VICE PRESIDENT". Haig clearly meant that he would was the senior official ON SITE until the VP returned. He said that for the benefit of the press who was trying to get info from every Tom, Dick and Harry.

At no time did Haig ever claim to be in charge of anything other than the gaggle of reporters . Like him or not, Haig is smart enough to understand the constitutional line of succession. The idea that he claimed , "I am in charge" is a perfect example of a remark taken out of context and it has now become a 25 year old urban myth.

You’re right. Haig’s smart enough to know better.

- The Constitutional line of succession is the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court and then the Secretary of State. On site has nothing to do with it. In this case, the Veep was in charge regardless of where he was at.

- When it comes to handling White House internal affairs, including the dissemination of information, the responsibility lies with the Chief of Staff, who reports to the President, not the Secretary of State.

- For handling reporters, the person in charge is the White House Chief of Communications, who reports to the Chief of Staff, and so on.

Regardless of whether you put Haig’s “I’m in charge” comment in context, he skipped several people in succession and had no legal authority to make the claim that he did. So either he was on a huge ego trip or had an incredible brain fart. That’s why he was derided for the comment and that’s why Reagan didn’t keep him on for very long afterwards.

José

J.F.K. is still alive. He's living on an island with Jim Morrison and Elvis.

I really don't understand how silly and rediculas ideas like this get started or why people choose to continue to spread them. Especially when it is common knowledge that J.F.K and Elvis were taken away by aliens to help start a new civilization on Beta Zatari.

Jim Morrison, of course, is really married to Lisa Marie ever since the Michael Jackson thing didn't work out. Had to be kept very "hush, hush" 'cause Elvis didn't approve.

Just wanted to set the record straight!

Ray

...either he was on a huge ego trip or had an incredible brain fart. That’s why he was derided for the comment and that’s why Reagan didn’t keep him on for very long afterwards. José

Actually, he was finally dismissed because of several pointed comments he made during a disagreement with Nancy Regan in a meeting. Ronald Regan was very protective of her and Haig had already allowed his mouth to get the better of him too many times before, which provided the justification.
If you remember he was often making off the cuff and inappropriate comments. Intelligent or not, discretion was not his strong suit. I think he liked the attention it got him.

Ray

Hezeus! You mean to tell me that Scalia has a shot at the Presidency!!!!!????? That's when I really do move!
Edit- when he becomes Cheif Justice Scalia

^ I think Buchanan or Kissinger would've been a bigger irony than Al "I'm in charge here" Haig.

José

I never could give any creedence to Kissinger being Deep Throat, always seemed to me that if Kissinger had decided to turn on Nixon, Nixon would have been in far more serious trouble.

Regardless of whether you put Haig’s “I’m in charge” comment in context, he skipped several people in succession and had no legal authority to make the claim that he did. So either he was on a huge ego trip or had an incredible brain fart. That’s why he was derided for the comment and that’s why Reagan didn’t keep him on for very long afterwards.

José

Huh?

Haig NEVER claimed to be in charge of ANYTHING outside of the room where he was talking to reporters!

He made NO claim to any power and required no legal authority for what he said.

Understand this: Al Haig's comment about being "in charge" was NOT in response to a question about the government or the executive branch!

Regrettably, most people have learned their history from watching monologues on late night talk shows. And, also regrettably, none of the talk show hosts actually SAW THE EVENT as it happened (which I did).

A pile of reporters where running around the room like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut-off. They were yelling, screaming, pushing and acting like children (for which I cut them some slack under the circumstances). Al Haig was simply trying to get them to calm down and tell them to "chill out" and stop bugging the staff because he was the senior man in the building.

Repeat: Al Haig NEVER made ANY claim to be in charge of the government or the executive branch. NEVER!

He didn't need any legal authority to get the reporters to stop acting like idiots.


Before anybody disagrees, let me know if you actually watched the full event on live television. If you want to comment based what you learned from a Johnny Carson monlogue in 1983, I'm afraid I'm not really interested.

Before anybody disagrees, let me know if you actually watched the full event on live television. If you want to comment based what you learned from a Johnny Carson monlogue in 1983, I'm afraid I'm not really interested.

Errr, actually it was 1981. I was on duty in an emergency room and remember it pretty vividly.

Carson was really funny that night :tongue:

Huh?

Haig NEVER claimed to be in charge of ANYTHING outside of the room where he was talking to reporters!

He made NO claim to any power and required no legal authority for what he said.

Understand this: Al Haig's comment about being "in charge" was NOT in response to a question about the government or the executive branch!

Regrettably, most people have learned their history from watching monologues on late night talk shows. And, also regrettably, none of the talk show hosts actually SAW THE EVENT as it happened (which I did).

A pile of reporters where running around the room like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut-off. They were yelling, screaming, pushing and acting like children (for which I cut them some slack under the circumstances). Al Haig was simply trying to get them to calm down and tell them to "chill out" and stop bugging the staff because he was the senior man in the building.

Repeat: Al Haig NEVER made ANY claim to be in charge of the government or the executive branch. NEVER!

He didn't need any legal authority to get the reporters to stop acting like idiots.


Before anybody disagrees, let me know if you actually watched the full event on live television. If you want to comment based what you learned from a Johnny Carson monlogue in 1983, I'm afraid I'm not really interested.

While this is absolutely true, he already had a reputation for making comments that were inappropriate to all the wrong people. I believe he enjoyed the notariety the controversy brought him as well as the pleasure of just plain annoying those who he didn't particularly care for.

For example the comments conjecturing a neuclear first strike aganst the Soviet Union under the right circumstances... Of course it is the military's job to plan for all eventualities and the idea that this idea was being explored by the military planners should come as no suprise to anyone. But blurting out vague refrences to it on a Sunday morning talk show, then retreating to comments about it being classified only gave everyone visions of Dr. Strangelove.

Problem was he already had the reputation before the "in charge" comment and the press ran with it. Unfair as it may be he gave the press plenty of ammo to use against him.

Ray

OFF Topic note two: Every legitimate news organization who investigated the assassination of President Kennedy has concluded the same thing. ABC news did a fantastic special a couple of years ago and I'm begging for it on DVD. The inescapable conclusion is always the same. Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, killed the President.


I wish it would come out on vid as well, because I think somebody would probably sue them over the misinformation in it. That show was (how can I put this politely?) ... full of shit.

edit addon: I do NOT want to turn this into a political paranoia thread ... I saw that happen on a thread a couple years back (a trek site or a model site, in fact) over the USS LIBERTY incident, and I couldn't believe the venom it brought forth. Having said that ... I guess I will withdraw from this thread.

Brent, I want you to know that I mean this with the utmost respect, I think you're a great modeller, but Politics, American stuff, what's the interest here? As for Carson, didn't watch, but Haig? He was a nut job long before the comment. Hell, half of Reagans cabinet was under investigation or wackos (generalization that can be substantiated). Like I said, not that it matters to you what I think, But You are a really good modeller.

I never could give any creedence to Kissinger being Deep Throat, always seemed to me that if Kissinger had decided to turn on Nixon, Nixon would have been in far more serious trouble.

Nixon and Kissinger hated each other, according to the book, "The Final Days" by Woodward and Bernstein. The had a grudging respect for what the other could do for his career (shades of Palpatine and Anakin?), but otherwise both couldn't stand being in the same room. That's what made the Kissinger theory so intriguing. The problem was that Kissinger really didn't care too much for domestic or political stuff, so he may not have had the interest to obtain (or retain if he overheard conversations) the kinds of things that Deep Throat told Woodward.

I half agree with what terryr said. Looking back it makes sense Deep Throat would have to come out of the FBI. Part of the difficulty with pinning Deep Throat lay in that Nixon/Haldeman/Erlichmann had ticked off so many people on so many levels.

FWIW, I didn't see the Haig thing live, but I saw it on tape delay. But I'll still stand with what I've said. Haig had no basis or reason to claim to be in charge of anything, except taking calls from presidents, monarchs and despots wishing Reagan a quick recovery.

José

Ya' know the interesting thing to me is that the people who always want to Debunk the U.F.O. Theorys (like "Area 51") I've always herd Non-Believers Say "Well How Could There Be Any Alien Bodies Kept by the Goverment They Couldn't Keep a Secrect That Big!) This same line of Logic has been used for the Kennedy Assaination Conspircy Theroy BUT I gotta say with this "Deep Throat" news I can think Hey Maybe WE WERE ABLE to pull a Great Cover-Up.I sure would love to believe there IS other life out there...unless they're Pissed Off lol
JOHN/LONFAN