Spaz-Very nice! I'm gonna have to try that black light set up real soon!

Looks great!

Hello guys,

I have been given a RC Boat to paint and have been putting it off for months. MOstly due to what a pain it is going to be to paint. Its has a styrene plastic hull I am pretty sure. If anyone has experience painting boats, please share both types of paint and techniques. I am ona tight budget to paint this, so please if possible recommend stuff in a spray bomb or paints I can put in my Paasche. :confused:

Thanks in advance,
Ray

I dont know about it gripping to the hull, but you could Faskolor/Createx the design and then use there Faskoat/Clear Coat which is Nitro proof, which is a damn site harsher than water.
Could be worth a try.

Jesse:
I was only after about 8 shells worth of info, first glace looks like its all of them! Does this mean ive gotta do all of em now ;)

PC2K
**Edit**
Bloomin ek, well spotted on the Chrome!! not sure where i got that figure from, maybe it was copied from other page and slipped through.
Just changed the figures, also realised ive still not completed (started even) the Accessories page. I'll get that up by the end of the night. Gimmi and hour or so

Has anyone use blank window cling to mask off parts of the body?

Troy

Paul: Great site, WHERE ARE THE PICS????? My LHS won't ever get the paint in because no one will import it. And here in australia our dollar sucks. Not like your pound. Our dollar is worth about 40p. I think.

Spaz: That price works out to $20 a bottle plus shipping for me. I will have to think long and hard before ordering it. Email me at ja_mez@hotmail.com (ja_mez) to work out shipping and if I have to pay dangerous goods and stuff. Thanks.

James

Paul and Spaz: This is what I got when emailing <Info@SpazStix.com>


This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification.

Delivery to the following recipients failed.

Info@SpazSitx.com




Reporting-MTA: dns;hotmail.com
Received-From-MTA: dns;mail.hotmail.com
Arrival-Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:18:43 -0700

Final-Recipient: rfc822;Info@SpazSitx.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.0.0

Rayhuang,I have painted several boats fiberglass,wood and styrene.
The biggest thing on a plastic hull is dont try to use any type of power sander on it,it will heat the plastic and make little fuzzies then its very hard to fix.A good automotive urethane is best for boats especially if its nitro.The auto paint is expensive but worth it.If you want to do it cheaper pick up some Dupli Color spray cans at the local parts store,I have seen some nice looking hulls painted with it and it comes in tons of different colors,it is somewhat resistant to nitro fuel since its acrylic lauquer.

Thanks for the tips on painting plastic boats!!!

Anakist:
Replied to ya email.
The pics are on page oohhh, 8 on THIS site, everyone fell asleep when i posted the pics, nobody said anything and i cried myslef to sleep for a whole week! ;):D
Try the bottom of page 8.
Im updating http://qazwert.com every now and then, not had the time recently got about 6 shells to add to the site! (F355, S7R, Merc DTM, Skyline, Viper, 406 & Merc AMG)

Just done tests on the Email account, cant see anthing wrong. Jesse/Spaz has done one, and i've just sent one and both arrived fine.

Just wondering, but is your hotmail account full? Ive noticed it wont allow you to sendif the account is overloaded.

PC2K

Paul, Sorry about that. I thought it was an amazing paint job and I thought I replied. I am 20 in a week so it must be old age. :D

Hmmm, I just copied and pasted from the site so I don't know. No my hotmail account isn't full. I keep it at about 20%.

James

hmmm, I'll beleive ya. Went quiet for a few weeks!

Ja mez :D could you try sending again please. Its Info@SpazStix.com
lol, just spotted it!
Ooops, Someone must have typed in the wrong address, anyway, we wont go into detail as to who spelt the sites email address wrong :hat: (Should have a 'D' on the front :D)

PC2K

Right. Just sent the email.

Show off! :p
PC2K

Thought after the last post that you might want to see what the truck looks like when it is not lit up. So, here it is.

Thanks for the emails guys. I have 4 from you. Glad I could help. I am also glad for the board so you could fix it quicker.

James

Hi, I have heard of people spraying on liquid mask, can some one tell me how to do this. I have tried to brush it on, but I still cant seem to get it on very good.

Also will spraying it on hurt my airbrush.

Thanks

Planet Honda- do not spray liquid mask through your airbrush-it's not worth the frustration!

run down to your local hard ware store and pick up a cheap touch up spray gun ( presure feed/siphon feed )by Devilbiss or several others. They come in 2 sizes, pint and quart. I use the larger one , it cost me $35.00 plus tax. Use the pressure feed at about 40 psi from your compressor and thin the liquid mask ( Bob Dively brand ) just enough to spray through the gun evenly. 2 nice even coats do the trick for me, and I usually mask off 7-12 bodies at a time with this method before the 32oz gun needs refilling. you will need a regular compressor ( 4 gal. pancake works well ) for this to work though.

Thanks for the tip, but how will I know if it is on thick enough?

planet, with liquid mask, it takes some trial and error to know when you have enough on but its always better to error on the side of too much. When you have too little on, its a bear to get up. I paint it on with a normal paint brush and put on 4 to 5 thick coats.


Spaz, I tried the chrome today. Hands down better then Alclad. Sprays smoother, dries faster and like the rest of your paints, screws right on to a brush cap, which makes clean up a breeze. I just finished this 10 minutes ago so I will try to get better pics outside tomorrow.

one more shot

Looks great HM. Keep up the good work.

James

Is there a certain kind, that works the best. I have only tried liquid mask once, and it was just a little bottle that I got from the craft store.

When I spray it also, do I dilute with any thing, or just spray it right from the bottle?

JS can answer you better on the spraying it, but you dilute it with water. As for the different brands, here is my take:

Parma: I tried this first because my LHS had it. Basically, I dont care for it. At $3.99 a bottle, you get once or 2 ounces and it's enough to do one car. It becomes brittle and if you don't put on 5 or 6 coats, it doesn't peel up nicely and becomes crumbly. I've tried a dozen bottles of this stuff. I can't stand it and don't find it up to Parma's normally high standards.


Hobbico: Very good, goes on nicely in 3 coats and maintains a nice rubber texture that is easy to cut and pull off. I've only ever seen it in a tub about 4 times the size of the Parma bottle for $3.99. Over all it's an excellent mask and I thought it was a good value until...

Bob Dively: Excellent! I tried this because I visited another LHS and they were out of Hobbico. The bottle saying it should be sprayed put me off. I bought it since I had some bodies to practice on and brushed it on in 4 thick coats. I was 5 days ago before I could paint a body with it. It remained nice and rubbery. It cut well and was easy to pull off, never crumbling and making me scrape it off like the Parma. The nicest part is, it comes in 16oz and 32oz bottles for $12.95 and $19.95 respectively. I bought the 16oz bottle, did 4 bodies and still have 2/3's of a bottle yet. This is the hands-down winner in terms or performance and value.

That looks familiar HM.
http://www.balakracing.com/paintmasks.htm
PlanetHonda, look in the Equipment, then Painting menu for words of wisdom.

James

Indeed, Bob Dively is the mask of choice for me. I buy it by the gallon (4 at a time ) from the manufacturer, and thin it just enough with water to allow it to spray smoothly . Usually 2 coats with a spray gun work very well as they are very consistent. I spray a coat on the body and hang it on a clothes line with clothes pins in front of a box fan. I spray off 7-12 bodies at a time, and they usually dry in a couple hours. The nice thing about spraying mask is that it's super easy to work with and goes a long way. The quickest way to remove the masking is to use an old airbrush needle as a pick. You would not believe how easy it is to pull of mask with it!

Anakist,

That would be me! I have a more updated version here though: painting site (http://www.rctech.net/articles/painting_hauntedmyst.shtml) and I will be adding more sections to it to cover spraying glow in the darks, chromes and pushing cans to the limit.

The articles there halped me a lot HM. What tricks for cans? I know to put it in hot water. What else?

James

One trick is touched on with the granite finish. Basically, you toss a couple of cans in the freezer for a bit and let the paint thicken. Then you spray them and they clump up. When you do that with 2 or 3 colors and then use a regular temp backing color, you can get some cool looking marble effects. Most people never try doing fades, detailed masks, liquid masks or other designs with cans either so I will touch on those. I will also have a section on how to do some of the bodies I've airbrushed with cans so people can see what cool stuff they can do if they just put their mind too it. Lately, I've been getting emails and seeing people post a misconception that they want an airbrush to make their painting better. An airbrush doesn't make your painting "better", it does 2 things really: 1. Offers finer control of the spray pattern and 2. opens you up to a whole bunch of new paints like Spaz Stix and waterbased paints. I am for encouraging everyone to get an airbrush, and want to outline what they should work on first with cans before going to the expense of an airbrush only to be disappointed it hasn't magically transformed them into a paint wizard. About 90% of a bodies success comes in designing it and masking it correctly so hopefully a section on pushing cans further (through design, prep and planning) will help people be more successful with an airbrush.

HM, glad to see the RC Painting Bible has been updated :D
Just wanted to check if you dont mind me adding your tutorial to the Spaz Stix site? All usual praise to yourself included on the tutorial. I've been planning on doing something for the paint for a while now but haven't had the chance to get started on it, im sure you know what i mean.

PC2K

Hey guys, finally got my shirt from this years Roar offroad mod-nat's.
I did the artwork, but the final coloring and lettering was done by others. turned out pretty good I thought. I owe a big thanks to the crew at K&M racing (New Caney) for giving JS Bodies some exposure.

mod nats T (http://www.jsbodies.com/02modnats.JPG)

Very nice JS!

HM, Yeah I read that. I wish I had more money to buy shells to paint. This is the second shell I have painted. I did it and the first one entirely with cans.
http://www.geocities.com/anakist_rc/Lexus.jpghttp://www.geocities.com/anakist_rc/Lexus.jpg

I am saving for an airbrush so I have those options. I will try to paint better with cans until then.

James

Well, I am painting a clear welding lens to have as a wing on my truck. I put a temp tattoo on it and I am going to paint it orange and/or purple, haven't decided exactly how.

James

LOL, Interesting choice of material :D

Ive just been asked to paint a Truck shell, not Buggy-truck or Monster Truck, but a Euro style Race Truck! Its really cool too, Its a Merc Shell and its in 4 bits, Chassis, Cab, Rear of Cab, and Rear bumper (god knows why!!)
But its looking perdy cool.
I'll post pics once the last bit is done.

Also did 2 new shells this week, a Skyline and a 911 GT1.
The pics aren't very good, it looks like the Digicam needs a good servicing

HPI Nissan Skyline 190 (Requested by a customer/friend)
Spaz-Stix Gold/Green
Spaz-Stix Teal/Purple/Red
http://www.spazstix.com/gallery/Simpy/1-600.jpg
http://www.spazstix.com/gallery/Simpy/5-600.jpg

HPI Porsche 911-GT1 200 (own choice, to be sold)
Spaz-Stix Gold/Green
Spaz-Stix Purple/Red/Orange/Gold
Spaz-Stix Chrome
http://www.spazstix.com/gallery/911GT1/1-600.jpg

Hope you like em
PaulC2K

Paul
It is 110x55 and I got it for free so I thought what the hell.. I might as well.

The bodies look good. Keep it up.

James

Finished the Merc truck last night, and managed to get a few snaps while the weather was pleasant.
Ive enjoyed painting a different type of shell, its nice to do something different every now and then, Ive been asked to do a T-Maxx shell once the guy has the money for Fuel and other more important bits, but this truck was a nice change from the usual 2/4 door saloon shell. Not done a buggy yet, hopefully one will be requested, that looks like fun too :D

Anyway, the truck
Spaz-Stix Liquid Metal - Chrome
Spaz-Stix Color Change - Blue/Purple/Red (probably my favourite colour)

http://www.spazstix.com/gallery/merctruck/pics/1-320.jpg http://www.spazstix.com/gallery/merctruck/pics/2-320.jpg
http://www.spazstix.com/gallery/merctruck/pics/4pic-960.jpg

I decided after painting it, that i didnt like the stripes, the way ive done them IMO makes it look cheap, but i did them to try and tie the colours in together.

PaulC2K

Looks good Paul. I can't wait until I get my paint.

James

Thanks Anakist,

What paint are you waiting for, have you ordered some Spaz-Stix paints or something else?
what shell & Design have you got planned??

Im gonna have to do a few of my next shells with normal, borring, bog standard, single colour paint :( (:D)
The last few i've done have been nice looking, but there not pushing me like my last few non spaz-stix paintjobs have. The Saleen is by far my best shell to date, and i want to continue doing that kind of shell, The problem with the Saleen is its so nice i wouldnt want to race it, and i dont really want to sell it (i couldnt race it as its 200mm) but the Spaz-stix ones look cool yet easy to do.

Ive got a Protoform Opel Coupe which i like the flow of, so that'll be my next shell, its 190mm and i could do with getting one ready for an upcoming competition, so that and a GS400 are my next shells, maybe a F355 inbetween as i know what im doing with that one.

PC2K

I am going to order some spaz stix paint. But I don't know what I am going to paint. I am going to experiment with a home made (printed off the net) mask on this wing, but I don't knop what design to use.

Still thinking.

James

Hey guy's here's a couple I painted using the new spaz-stix color change and alclad chrome. They are kinda basic as I 'm still getting the feel for these paints, but they came out ok. kind hard to see the color change in the pics though.


Mugen1 (http://www.jsbodies.com/mugen1.JPG)


Speed8 (http://www.jsbodies.com/speed8.JPG)

Kinda basic :cry:
I wish my skills were 'kinda basic'!! :D
They look great, Its hard to get pics of the flip paints, they need light coming from as many directions as possible ive found. So far i seem to see it best in my garage where i do all my airbrush work, thats got two florescent tubes in there and they seem to help make the effect visable. The only problem is that while its really easy to see in there, it might not be so in other rooms/lighting conditions, so i tend to add a coat or two for good luck (besides going into other rooms etc to see how it looks, obviously you wont know until you put that layer of black on how its gonna turn out!

Still, they look pretty darn good from where im sat, i dread to think what you'll be doing when you start playing with it!!

PC2K

:D thanks Paul........ I have 2 sets of lights in my shop, and most of my work comes out great in the pics. This paint is light absorbent though, might have to try somre diferent lighting techniques.

It also takes so darned long to dry!

im guessing that was sarcasm at the end?
I certainly hope so!
I've found that the Spaz-Stix black backer is thin, and takes a few coats to be 'think' enough that you cant see through it unless held into the light etc. But its great for shaddows, with it being thin i've found it doesn't show as much in areas that you didnt really want it to end up :D the idiot proof way of doing shaddows!!
But all Laquer based paint dry stupidly quick, compared to Cans and Waterbased, we dont even have water based paints over here yet (not RC ones anyway)

PC2K

lol.

I have found that the laquer paints do indeed take longer to dry than water based simply because I use a hair drier on the water based paints, and secondly because all of my masking is done with liquid mask ( it will lift laquers easily if not dry enough ). I can knock out a water based design in half the time of a laquer based one.

See if you can get createx auto air paints over there, they are essentially the same as the parma paints that aren't available to you.

lol

I'll be the middle guy. I’ve found acrylics dry faster, which means you can move on to the next coat sooner, but lacquers cure quicker, meaning the paint is set and you can race the body.

:D Hey HM! how's painting? what's in the skillet for your next article?

Hi JS! Thanks for asking. Been too busy to paint much lately, but I have a few bodies lined up. I will be working on one of the neon kits/bodys from Spaz pretty soon. I am waiting for my Iwata airbrushes to arrive and can't wait to try them! Hopefully, I'll get one of the new Parma's as well.

I also got a very cool boost on the my Painters Yellow Pages recently! I found someone to host it and put the code together, I have to put together the content, links, descriptions and figure out categories. With any luck, it will be the biggest portal to r/c car painters with information on the painter, explainations of the quality of their work and why people should get pro painted bodies. I hope it will turn out to be a funnel to help painters get more business.

How are things with you?

JSB:
Ive bought a couple of normal Createx paints and they've been ok mixed with Faskolor paint, BUT Wonderful news!!!
I phoned the UKs distributer for Parma (Helgar) about a month ago and they said that they were waiting approval for the paints, and someone from Parma emailed me today saying that its been granted, so before long i'll haev tons of them, i've got about 75% of them but most are as good as empty, and i cant afford the $20 just for postage let alone the paints. So its great to know i now have a regular supply

PC2K

I will just sit over here with my cans and dodgy work :)

HM, when the site is up, I will link to it from my homepage. Also, how many airbrushes do you have? Could you email (ja_mez@hotmail.com) me if you ever sell one. I am looking for a good airbrush for rc work, but good ones are really expensive here new.

JS, Wow. I am going to copy those design for some of my next cars. They look awesome. And are well within my skills...Hmmmmmm.....

Paul, Well done. We have tamiya and parma here and it is $10 a bottle/can.

Keep up the good work guys!!!

James