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Can u use these brushes for other projects, like painting a bird house or something?For wood, you have to put on so much paint that you're ahead to use spray cans (or brushes), at least until the pores are sealed. Airbrushes just don't throw enough paint
The air compressors cost about 100?Right around that neighborhood. With an air compressor, a regulator and moisture trap are a good idea, too.
Comp-Nerd 04-20-2003, 05:08 PM Ok im still a little fuzzy about how u actually go about painting. When you prep your body you put on windomasks and cover up all the lighter areas of your design. So then you paint, lets just say black the whole car. You peel off the covers on the light areas. You dont have to cover up the black when you go to paint the lighter color do you?
ED :freak:
Dan the Man 04-20-2003, 05:28 PM Right around that neighborhood. With an air compressor, a regulator and moisture trap are a good idea, too.
Of course there are ways around this. Something I've always wanted to try is a bottle of CO2 from the local welding supply. Dry and no noise!
I've seen people use an old tire with 2 valve stems as well - one for a pump and one for the airbrush.
What I've got is a tool compressor - way more capacity than I need for airbrushing but I already had it.
Comp-Nerd 04-20-2003, 05:35 PM Noise is not a big problem is it? It wouldnt be where I live.
ED :freak:
Dan the Man 04-20-2003, 06:26 PM The problem I have with noise is that the compressor always seems to kick in when I am in mid-spray and concentrating hard and it startles me out of my skin.
Comp-Nerd 04-20-2003, 07:13 PM Earplugs?
ED :freak:
I've seen people use an old tire with 2 valve stems as well - one for a pump and one for the airbrush.I'd only recommend this one for those with an extremely limited budget and a physical fitness "thing." Trying to hit 70 psi with a hand pump is a lot of work, and much less gives you too short a "run time." I tried this for about three box cars (into HO at the time) before I decided I really could afford a compressor.
:lol:
charlie_b 04-21-2003, 04:20 AM http://socal.rcracing.com/Images//spazdiablo.jpg
charlie_b 04-21-2003, 04:21 AM http://socal.rcracing.com/Images//marbleized-fat-flames.jpg
Comp-Nerd 04-21-2003, 08:07 PM Wow. Now how long did that take?
By the way how much horsepower is good for an air compressor?
ED :freak:
Comp-Nerd: Just for air brushing, not much. I believe that the one Badger makes for that purpose is 1/6 hp.
charlie_b: Fantastic!
Fred B 04-22-2003, 02:04 PM The Iwata Revolution airbrushes are pretty inexpensive and have teflon seals that won't swell from the laquer paints. About $80 try www.coastairbrush.com
I think Parma sells a good compressor. I used one that they had at Cleveland and it was super quiet. Just run a fan on it to keep it cool.
Bolink body blast will take overspray off.
HauntedMyst 04-22-2003, 03:29 PM So what are the "intense color change" paints mentioned on your website? Did they just replace the original Faschange, or what?
Those are the FasFlip paints. They didn't replace the originals, they are just an addition to the line.
BadSign 04-23-2003, 01:18 PM Late reply here, but try brake fluid to remove paint. It has no effect on the finish at all, just might require a little elbow grease at times.
Dan the Man 04-27-2003, 03:04 AM I just painted a XXX-NT body. It's the first one I've ever done that was just for the sake of something to paint, and not for one of my cars... The cut lines and window lines are awful - they look as though there was grit on the mold or something. The shape of the window masks wasn't even close. Looking at a XX4 body I have sitting here, I see the same problems. I've never seen anything this bad on a Pro-Line or Tamiya body. Maybe I've just started noticing since I've moved up from spray cans?
I may post a pic when I've got a chance (no digital camera). It's red and green with the Parma "Brute Creature" mask. I successfully gave the dragon scales - looks pretty cool.
charlie_b 04-28-2003, 09:28 PM http://socal.rcracing.com/Images//RCXcar.jpg
Comp-Nerd 04-28-2003, 11:12 PM Wow now that is a work of art. Hey does that face have anything to do with terminator? Although it is awsome for some reason I really like T-Main's body. When and If i start airbrushing I will probably try to work up to something like that.
ED :freak:
JSBodies 04-29-2003, 12:38 AM Charlie_B- nice work as usual !!
what did you use for the glitter effect, did you just mix a bunch of fasglitter colors together or use holographic spazstix?
I haven't got to play with either one very much even though the stuff is all over my shop......... I have very little time to paint anymore since opening up my shop...
Dan the Man 04-29-2003, 01:44 AM what did you use for the glitter effect, did you just mix a bunch of fasglitter colors together or use holographic spazstix?
I am not Charlie_B, nor do I play him on tee vee, but I think the "glitter" is actually a starfield made with spatters of solid color. Still looks great.
These things seem to go in and out of style. Remember the cobweb paint?
charlie_b 04-29-2003, 09:46 PM thanx JS..i hear ya on time..i just painted 3 bodies and that is all i have done all year! Anyway, the glitter i was from House of Kolor. I then backed it with Createx Opaque Black.
JSBodies 04-29-2003, 11:23 PM Charlie_B- a cool and very sweet effect..........
where do you pick up your HOK materials? I need some of that glitter but my local shop closed up recently. and no one else here carries it. guess could check with coast airbrush ?
charlie_b 04-30-2003, 07:49 PM Yup..i get all my stuff from Coast..they are bout 5 min away from my house.
JSBodies 04-30-2003, 10:52 PM Dan- cobweb paint :D ?...lol, you have been around a while ! I do remember it to though......... coverite had a good thing goin with that stuff !
Charlie- how convenient ! :D
Klowne 05-01-2003, 10:54 PM gonna give it a go at painting.... as the hobby shop i work at we have an old paint booth spray we built that we are gonna clean up and get it set up to be used to paint some bodies. i have dealt with can painting and needless to say ..... i need practice..lol... i was curious as to what type of gun would be could to use as i would like to try out the fascolors and also the spas stix colors . and what size of compressor would i need? we are moving it from a garage and i had a shop compressor on it with a regulator. but i want something that would be suffecient enough to push both paints through the airbrush . any suggestions would be appreciated.
also must say killer looking bodies you guys paint. hope i can get the patience to get just a 1/4 of that good and i will be happy .
Donnie_99 05-06-2003, 11:16 AM i am having a lot of trouble with fisheying useing fastcolor it seems
no matter how i clean the body or the gun it does it. any suggestions?
Donnie
HauntedMyst 05-06-2003, 12:03 PM Klowne,
Just about any gun will spray any paint. Personally, I like the Iwata's and if you are just getting into it, an Iwata Revolution at about $60 is a great airbrush. It's dual action, internal mix and will last you a very long time. As far as the compressor goes, a shop compressor is the best choice when money is a concern. They are more powerful and useful then a hobby compressor. The only thing you usually have to add to them are a moisture trap for about $25.
Donnie,
It sounds to me like one of two things (maybe both). First is that your pressure maybe too high. Try lowering it. The second is the paint may be too thin. Fascolors are very inconsistent out of the bottle, some are too thin, others are too thick. If it's too thin, take the top off the bottle for a day or too and let it dry up a bit. Stir it every hour or so to keep the top layer from drying.
Klowne 05-06-2003, 12:55 PM thanks for the help myst and suggestions. i got a moisture trap already just have to get the gun next and then i should be ready to go. also i plan on printing out your article on painting over at the rctech site. was very informative and i think it would do me good hindsite to keep it on hand for future references when im in doubt of something.
also i figured to start out practicing painting would it be ok to use empty and cleaned 2 liter bottles?
Dan the Man 05-06-2003, 03:29 PM thanks for the help myst and suggestions. i got a moisture trap already just have to get the gun next and then i should be ready to go. also i plan on printing out your article on painting over at the rctech site. was very informative and i think it would do me good hindsite to keep it on hand for future references when im in doubt of something.
also i figured to start out practicing painting would it be ok to use empty and cleaned 2 liter bottles?
2-liter bottles are a different kind of plastic. You should be able to get it to work, but don't expect the paint to stick if you start whacking it around!
Klowne 05-06-2003, 08:51 PM well i dont have any intentions of mounting the bottle on a vehicle..... just something to get the hang of the spraying techniques and practice on before ruining a 20 to 30 dollar body
well i dont have any intentions of mounting the bottle on a vehicle..... Well, now I'm waiting for someone to post a picture of a bottle car . . . along with a gripe that it's not ROAR approved.
FWIW, the R/C airplane dudes used to use the bottom of two liter bottles to make engine cowlings.
dgraham225 05-07-2003, 12:17 AM quick question: im planning to paint a body with translucent blue and back it with chrome. Just wondering whether i should use the Alclad translucent blue or could i just use a regular blue paint and thin it down or spray thin coats? thanks.... :freak:
HauntedMyst 05-07-2003, 12:59 AM dgraham
I would use either the Alclad Transparent Blue or Pactra Acryl Transparent Blue. Most other blues, such as Parma or Pactra lacquers will be to dense to allow the chrome to shine through and you won't get the best of either world.
HauntedMyst 05-07-2003, 01:00 AM Just some new stuff
http://home.attbi.com/~johnhauser/350zFrontSide.jpg
http://home.attbi.com/~johnhauser/350zLeftSide.jpg
http://home.attbi.com/~johnhauser/350zRearSide.jpg
http://home.attbi.com/~johnhauser/S7onTC3.jpg
http://home.attbi.com/~johnhauser/simplevipers.jpg
Anakist 05-07-2003, 08:52 AM Great work HM. Cool neighbourhood too!! Very american suburbia.
James
dgraham225 05-07-2003, 09:01 AM dgraham
I would use either the Alclad Transparent Blue or Pactra Acryl Transparent Blue. Most other blues, such as Parma or Pactra lacquers will be to dense to allow the chrome to shine through and you won't get the best of either world.
yea, i kinda figured that. but i wasnt aware that Pactra had a transparent blue, so that helps out alot. I'm ordering alot of stuff from RCboyz.com and they dont sell alclad, but do sell Pactra paints i think so thatll save me from having to order from two different places! thanks! :wave:
Donnie_99 05-07-2003, 10:00 AM what are most of you useing to clean your bodies with before painting? what do you clean your air brush with ?
Donnie
Dan the Man 05-07-2003, 10:26 AM what are most of you useing to clean your bodies with before painting? what do you clean your air brush with ?
I clean the body with soap and water. I clean the airbrush with hot water. I've taken to tearing it down after every color, too... I have a VL, so I remove and clean out the cup, then take off the tip and run hot water through the color path. Then I check the needle. All this takes about a minute so I figure it's not a big deal.
Donnie_99 05-07-2003, 05:40 PM thanks for the info
charlie_b 05-08-2003, 02:22 AM http://socal.rcracing.com/Images//streakin1.jpg
Dan the Man 05-11-2003, 09:11 PM I just found a neat toy for pre-cutting masks... it's called a Fiskars ShapeCutter and can be found in the artsy-craftsy section of Wal-Mart. Basically it's a swivel knife but the way the handle is set up removes a lot of the human error. Lots better than an X-Acto. Looks like this:
http://crafts.fiskars.com/projects/images/products/4800-7097.jpg
RoadBuggy 05-19-2003, 11:56 AM I would like to take the "shortcut" to finishing laxan bodies. Has anyone tried laxan picture glue? does it work on pictures printed from a PC printer? I have an epson stylus and would rather make my own logos with photoshop and print them on photo paper. :freak:
what do you use for shadow effects e.g. on checkered flags, window tint paint? acrylic smoke? :confused:
thanks. :thumbsup:
charlie_b 05-26-2003, 04:10 AM http://socal.rcracing.com/Images//barry.jpg
Klowne 05-26-2003, 09:33 PM sweet looking body charlie_b
im almost embarassed now to even post my first paint job .....
but im gonna go ahead and put it up lol
messed up and had to edit......lol go figure......lol
BadSign 05-27-2003, 10:46 PM Absolutely stunning, Charlie.
And the car the girl is holding looks good, too! :lol:
How did you create the speckled texture in the background?
charlie_b 05-28-2003, 06:57 AM Klowne..that paintjob look awesome!
Badsign...it is just a marble technique. spray a heavy coat of silver and while wet, crumple into a ball a sheet of saran wrap. Pounce the silver until you get the disired look. back it with black.
VOILA!
Klowne 05-28-2003, 07:47 AM thanks charlie.....
i had one problem which im not sure why though....
i was getting small splatters out of my colors... not sure if i used not enough thinner or too much....
i used pactra paint daytona yellow and competition orange.
and when i went to do the backing i used the sprint white and it also had small splatters on it but also had a mist spray to it as well.
not sure if it was too much thinner or not enough. i was able to still cover the body with the paint and not have the splatters show up. just when i look under the body i can see how it did it is all.
any suggestion on how to stop it from splattering so badly? besides a different airbrush ....... uses the walmart testors one for 30bucks lol
T-Main 05-28-2003, 07:59 AM What pressure are you spraying at? You could turn up your air compressor. Usually it happens when not enough pressure or you might be getting a dried up paint build up on your tip....
Fred B 05-28-2003, 11:00 AM Try painting some more to see what happens when the paint spatters. It it's spattering right from the start, try thinning out the paint more. Normally, paint that isn't thinned enough will also have cobwebs form.
Testors Yellows are the worst...It's like painting with watered down chaulk.
If you can paint for a bit and then the paint starts to spatter, it's just paint drying on the tip. If you use the Pactra/Testors paints, there really isn't good cure for paint drying on the tip. You can try adding thinner but that's kindof a cave man way of doing it. If the tip is drying out, use less pressure.
Oh, for the Parma guys, try some of the Createx retarder to keep the paint from drying on the tip. It's alot easier to do fades and no more psssssstpthftph splat on your work. You have to add the retarder when you use the paint...just a couple of drops in the paint cup on your airbrush.
Dan the Man 05-28-2003, 12:19 PM "Createx retarder"... where can I get it? I'd like to give it a try. The low humidity here in West Nowhere has been giving me fits.
Klowne 05-28-2003, 01:09 PM thanks for the tips fellas.......
im actually painting at 20-25 psi......constant.... as i have a contractors air compressor to paint with just using what the kit suggested as my go with point of spraying . and it doesnt have any cobwebs with the little spots that come out . when i get the chance to do another body i will see what i can do . i am thinkin of gettin the createx paints to try out next as i would rather clean with water than with thinner...lol. thanks again for the help guys
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