On the various boards people are saying that the final tonight is 2 hours.
Here it says there are 3 one hour shows on back-to-back.

This is what is listed on the Rogers TV Guide:

8:00 PM - Conclusion. Archer, Reed and Travis work together
to stop Paxton (Peter Weller) from destroying Starfleet
Command.
9:00 PM - Archer and crew return to Earth six years into the
future to sign the Federation Charter and face the
dicommissioning to the Enterprise.
10:00 PM- Humans discover cybernetic aliens buried in the
Arctic Circle, and when the aliens seize a ship, the
Enterprise is summoned to help stop them.

Is this what it has in the US?

James :)

The last episode is a repeat of the continuity busting Borg ep

There are 2 new episodes tonight, and then the nightmare is over.

O.K. Thanks! I don't recognize the description so I must have missed that episode the first time round.

James :)

We just watched the last ep. MAn that was just Stupid! I'm glad I never was a follower of the show, now I know why it got pulled! Whats with the 1701D crew being in the show?????
Jake

Just saw em. Shut off the respirator and thank god the patient finally expired. A la TAS - it ain't canon as far as I'm concerned, despite tonight's little trick of binding it with TNG.

Just saw em. Shut off the respirator and thank god the patient finally expired. A la TAS - it ain't canon as far as I'm concerned, despite tonight's little trick of binding it with TNG.
Out of perverse curiosity I caught most of this. Although I've never cared at all for this series I will say that I think the actors and their characters as well as the show's fans were cheated by framing this within a TNG story tie-in. They should have had the courage to at least have the last episode stand on its own merit. The framing sequence was clumsy and unconvincing, particularly being set in an earlier TNG era where the suspension of disbelief is totally ruined by the appearance of a very noticeably aged Riker and Troi. Yeesh, Riker looked really out of shape.

As for the episode itself...well, since I've nothing good to say about it I'll just leave it at that.

Yes, Tucker's death was wholly pointless. On top of which I got the sense that the actors often gave up acting since they often seemed out of character. It was as if they were effectively saying, "What's the point?'

I think that one word would describe this eps. Boring

I think that one word would describe this eps. Boring
The phrase "TOTALLY LAME" also springs to mind.

Major freakin suckfest!!! This season was the only one I could stomach (mostly) and it ends on this note??
I feel really bad for the Enterprise actors, they got shafted.

Just finished watching the series finale of Star Trek: The Next Generation, and I OOPS! I mean the series finale of Enterprise...and I agree with Jolene Blalock's comments about this episode. Pathetic, horrible, stupid. Insanity. What more can I say? Oh yeah, terrible, pointless.....

If they would have taken out the tie-in to TNG, the rest of the ep as is would have been enough.

It was stupid.

I'm usually not so strongly opinionated... But ...It might as well have been a TNG episode ... I can see why Jolene Blalock was so disgusted by the script (and I don't blame her one bit!!). I could take "The Pegasus" and "These are the Voyages" and make a two-hour TNG movie on VHS (The only reason I won't is because Frakes and Sirtis look considerably older than they did in "The Pegasus".).

This Episode took the entire "ENTERPRISE" cast and made them play second fiddle/guest stars/whatever ... to the TNG players. Completely inappropriate and a slap across the face to Scott Bakula & company ... IMHO.

I did, however, like the last fx shots with the 1701-D, 1701 Prime and NX-01. The "Space ... the Final Frontier" narrative by the Enterprise Captains (sans Harriman and Garrett) sent chills up my spine! (It would have been nice to include them (and their ships) ... but no one would recognize their voices anyway.) ... and that was the ONLY part that I liked!!

Thank you nx01Rob and crew!!... and XXXX XXXXXX and XXXXX XXXXXXX!! (edited for content).

Read it while you can ... I'll probably edit it out in the morning ... when I'm sober...

Now ... back to my "End of an Era" party already in progress ... :freak:

See Ya Tomorrow My Friends! ... And, Sorry for posting drunk ... and Sorry if I offended any one.
:hat: :wave:

Upon further consideration ... and sobering up ... the inflamatory comments have been edited ... otherwise I stand by my opinions

What the HELL what that???? I wanted to see Enterprise...NOT TNG!!!

This was nothing more than a slap in the face to Enterprise fans. It had NOTHING at all to do with Enterprise. MacTrek nailed it, The only good part of that was the last few seconds.................

Personal Note to Berman and Braga..... Rot in Hell you sons of b**ches

I wasn't impressed.

Seemed like an episode of NG. Not a fair ending to the cast of Enterprise.
guess I feel the Enterprise cast/crew were just puppets for a Riker story. As a story it wasn't all that bad....but the series "Enterprise" didn't own that show. ...It's like "Daddy" had to finish the son's "Cub Car" so he won't look bad on Cub night.

OAB

The following is something I also posted over on the Starship Modeler forums:


I was disappointed by the finale of Enterprise and what may turn out to be the last note of the Trek franchise as a whole. It seemed like a weak TNG episode that was poorly constructed and vague and was hardly a fitting tribute to the intrepid crew of the NX-01. I thought that I would present to you what I came up with (more than a year ago) as the final sequence of Enterprise and perhaps of Trek:

The year is 2245. Of the NX-01 crew, only T'Pol and Jonathan Archer, who is on death's door, are still alive. They are, fittingly, the two guests of honour at the inauguration of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701. T'Pol and Archer are beamed aboard, and as they are guided to the bridge, Trip - youthful and dressed in his NX-01 uniform - passes Archer in the corridor with a, "Hi, Cap'n!" When the aged Archer turns to follow him, the phantom Trip is gone. Just a sentimental delusion of a long-gone comrade.

Now on the bridge, Archer and T'Pol are introduced to Captain Robert April, the commander of this new Enterprise, who relinquishes the captain's chair to Archer. T'Pol stands at his side. Archer surveys the bridge crew and notices a familiar face at the helm, at least he thinks so. "What's your name, young man?" The Ensign at the helm, who is the time-traveller Daniels, responds with an assumed name. Either Archer is too senile to remember who the crewman really is, or he remembers perfectly but does not wish to reveal his ruse, knowing that Daniels is there to say goodbye and to safeguard another event of historical importance.

"I believe it's time we should be leaving," T'Pol reminds Archer.

Archer reflects for a moment and then addresses the Ensign at the helm, ordering him to take the ship out.

Cut to shots of the NCC-1701 leaving drydock, over which is played the theme to the original series, slowly and plaintively. Archer recites the famous words, closing the circle of Trek history on the noblest of terms.

"Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its mission - to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before."

Cut back to the bridge. Archer speaks more lucidly and forcefully than one would expect of a man of his advanced years. "Let's see what's out there. Engage!"

Cut back to the Enterprise, warping out.

Well, I finished off the last of the Captain Morgan reserve. I was a kid watching TOS and what a lot of you snot nosed wankers don't realize is you may have seen your last Star Trek television series. Voyager stayed on for 7 freakin years....TNG, DS9 whatever the case maybe, it was on. Now, Star Trek has become irrelevant. Star Trek used to be about hope and the promise of a better world. Well, the world doesn't buy that BS anymore. We are pre-emptive, hostile and commercial. We are about the dollar and winning, domination and supression. It doesn't matter if Mickey F******* Mouse was writing Trek, our future cannot be a Trek future, hell, a Kubrick future.
The episode was a healthy dump on Enterprise and her few fans (me included).
I loved the show, warts and all, I will miss her, and yes, I drank a lot. Be careful what you wish for, and Yes, I'm a lot bigger than you.

I have to say that I choked up big time at the final shots of the Starship Enterprise - thanks Rob and to the FX crew who put it together.

The finale should have been all about moments like that. Instead, I just felt sad for the crew of NX-01, and for what could have been.

Lauren, wonderful ending, better than anything B&B could dream of. F91, right there with you buddy. I truly was sad this evening, and what shocked me most was that I didn't think I would be. I shed a tear for what was, and what truly could have been. .....a toast with my Vodka and your Captain Morgan. Long Live Trek, long live a ship named Enterprise.....


".....he commands not just a spaceship procounsel, but a StarShip, a very special vessel....."

Well, I finished off the last of the Captain Morgan reserve. I was a kid watching TOS and what a lot of you snot nosed wankers don't realize is you may have seen your last Star Trek television series. Voyager stayed on for 7 freakin years....TNG, DS9 whatever the case maybe, it was on. Now, Star Trek has become irrelevant. Star Trek used to be about hope and the promise of a better world. Well, the world doesn't buy that BS anymore. We are pre-emptive, hostile and commercial. We are about the dollar and winning, domination and supression. It doesn't matter if Mickey F******* Mouse was writing Trek, our future cannot be a Trek future, hell, a Kubrick future.
The episode was a healthy dump on Enterprise and her few fans (me included).
I loved the show, warts and all, I will miss her, and yes, I drank a lot. Be careful what you wish for, and Yes, I'm a lot bigger than you.

Don't mince words, what do you really think?

I have to say, I was in honest to god PAIN watching this episode.
We don't even get to witness Archers speech.
I agree with everything said above.
I also admit, my eyes welled up a little bit the the parade of Enterprises.

If you haven't seen this episode yet, do yourself a favor, skip it and remember some of the better episodes.

Lauren,

Nice story and totally feasible since ALL THE TOS sets were rebuilt for the 'Defiant' episodes. That actually from a producers standpoint would have made more sense than to (while it was nice to see) rebuild a bunch of the TNG sets.

I wouldn't let B and B produce a birthday party.

Club, My strength-weakness is I don't mince words. I agree, it was painful. I was stunned that we didn't hear Archer's speech. I would also agree that skipping the last episode would be a good idea. I was never a TNG fan, but Frakes and Sirtis looked......well....old....like me I guess.

...ALL THE TOS sets were rebuilt for the 'Defiant' episodes. That actually from a producers standpoint would have made more sense than to (while it was nice to see) rebuild a bunch of the TNG sets.

I had forgotten about that, but you're right. The only major room that wasn't rebuilt was the transporter set. BTW, did they build brand new TNG sets for this last episode? Or had the originals been kept in storage? They didn't look like CGI to me, nor did it seem as if they were using any stock footage when Riker and Troi didn't happen to be in frame.

Lauren - everything except Daniels. I hated the TCW and all the stupid "Daniels making sure it went right" stuff. What, we're not able to handle our own history? :) Otherwise, I liked your ending.

Well, the SECOND to the last ep, written by Coto and the Stevenses, was wonderful. Good story. The cast even acted their hearts out.

But then the most revolting title in televison appeared: "Wrotten by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga." And yes, it was a typical B&B script - time-shifting, holodeck, references to things that the current audience may not know about (has every single person who watches Enterprise seen "The Pegasus?"), a plot based on a silly, extremely minor moral quandry that a 14-year-old could solve for himself after 5 minutes of thought. And how in the WORLD could historical records be SO good that the D's holodeck could recreate every private conversation people had 200 years before? Ludicrous.

And as has been said, it was not the last Enterprise ep, it was the last TNG ep. Jolene was right, it was an a$$f@<k.

And hey, I love Frakes and Sirtis, and I think they look great, but they do NOT look like they did 12 years ago!

You nailed it! I remember reading a while back that Jolene thought the last episode was "appalling"-I see exactly what she meant now.

"Wrotten by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga."

I won't tease ya for this. I saw it. I know that's no typo.

Rob, as someone who couldn't watch the show save for this last year, let me say from the bottom of my heart as a lifelong Trek fan: Thank you. Thank you to everyone who worked so hard on this show, who put their heart into it. My complaints have always been about the leadership of the series, and I have nothing but praise for everyone else involved. That was a touching last sequence.

To anyone else, let me say this as someone who came back to the series under Manny Coto, who found he returned it to something worth watching and getting excited over:

After years of the fans being scapegoated by some who didn't want to hear that many of us had reasons to be unhappy with what B&B had done (not your own opinion, I know), I felt that Manny Coto vindicated my views by turning this show around. Even peoeple who had liked it felt it improved, and many like me came back to it. How could that be if the problems weren't with managment? If it was just burnout?

B&B have just vindicated those views again. Some of you are seeing it for the first time, those of you who always loved it and now suddenly feel slapped in the face - that's what I've felt from them since Voyager began. This is the real B&B. I understand you still disagree, that's okay. I don't want to be the start of a fight, and I respect those who've enjoyed the shows. I just want to say - now you know how it's felt for those like me, not for one episode but for most of them.

I almost turned this off ten minutes in. Wish I had, now, but curiosity held sway. No point repeating the many points already raised, but I was ready to go when B&B turned so rapidly to the very thing that alienated me from the series in the first place (well, the one thing more than the rest) - their inability to remain true to the characters. Archer actually hesitates to rescue Shran's daughter for the sake of a ceremony? The Federation is a done deal, a missing representative won't deter it. Archer has more balls than that. T'Pol is suddenly a racist? We've seen her grow as a character, seen her grow beyond such things, and in no small part due to her admiration for Archer's humanity. All that flushed down the toilet in an instant not just her own growth but her respect for and trust in Archer's heroism. Shran, who has grown into someone heroic, reduced to an untrusted figure consorting with lowlifes - and for no dramatic purpose. Nothing is done with it. Trip - another pointless death under B&B's watch. The Trip/T/Pol romance flushed away after a poignant story just minutes before. Another hallmark of Enterprise under B&B: contradict each story. Never mind continuity within the franchise, there was never continuity within the series iself.

I liked this crew. I liked this cast. Early on, when the stories were weak I still watched because I genuinely liked the cast. But Berman and Braga screwed that up with juvenile, unfaithful, tone-deaf writing of the caliber you just saw, incapable of even understanding their own characters enough to do them justice, until even that good will was stripped from me. It was a joy to finally see these good and worthy actors bring these interesting characters to life this year. It was good to see Jolene Blalock get the respect she deserved all along.

Yes, John, I agree - this episode was wrotten in only the way an episode wrought by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga could be. Please, let their careers be over.

Edit - if anyone should feel I'm rattling old sabers, please don't take it that way. I feel offended on behalf of the cast and crew of the show, and for all of us.

I totally agree. A good show sent sideways "at warp speed".

There have been some excellent point made by all of you, even some of the folks who have been harsh critics of Enterprise on this board.

And Lauren - your ending was bang on man.

Unfortunately I think Rich is right - this may be the end of Trek for a very long time.

And that is very sad indeed.

Huzz

Lauren,

They should have done it your way.
The sad thing is, they had the sets and costumes to do it too!!!

If only B&B were washed up. Alas, it may not be so. . .

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050310b.php

Jendresen Talks "Star Trek XI"Posted: Thursday March 10th, 2005 6:32pmSource: SyFy Portal (http://www.syfyportal.com/)Author: Garth FranklinAs we know, "Band of Brothers (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050310b.php#)" scribe Erik Jendresen has done a deal with Paramount to write an eleventh Star Trek (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050310b.php#) film which for the first time in history which will feature a whole new cast to be introduced on the big screen (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050310b.php#).

In an interview with SyFyPortal (http://www.syfyportal.com/article.php?id=1764), Jendresen confirmed that the movie (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050310b.php#) would take place more than a century before Kirk, but acknowledged that it would not be an "Enterprise" spinoff. "I can certainly say that the story concept, the basic idea of this thing, is pretty damn big... When they first approached me, I wasn't really interested. But they said, 'What if we could approach this as a blank slate, and here's a notion.' When I heard the notion, I realized that the people I was talking to were serious, and genuinely dedicated. I started to really think about it, and, ultimately to develop a story. And it's a pretty good one" said the scribe.

The plan is to do something grittier, "There's an old tradition in space films (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/050310b.php#), if you think about it, where war and conflict are very sterile. Death doesn't hurt, it's not really ugly. You can get killed by a phaser and just ... disintegrate. We're going 160-odd years before Kirk is born. It's an earlier time, and I think it would be really refreshing to feel something in the course of telling this tale, instead of being wowed by special effects, or presenting another crew in jeopardy where, in the end, the captain does something brilliant, and all's right with the world" says Jendresen.

Reports have "Star Trek XI" being released sometime in 2007. No director or cast has been set yet, but it is clear that characters from other Star Trek properties will not be included.

Thanks to 'UV'.

I hope I hope it's not the 90210ish 'Starfleet Academy' nuke Berman has been pushing for years.

For a second I wondered what opening credits they would use, TNG or E. But then I changed the channel.

I did, however, like the last fx shots with the 1701-D, 1701 Prime and NX-01. The "Space ... the Final Frontier" narrative by the Enterprise Captains (sans Harriman and Garrett) sent chills up my spine!

Totally agree - the best part of the whole show. Glad to see I wasn't the only one to get chills. Too bad the other 45 minutes were riduclous and lame.

Nice to see Travis beat Harry Kim's record. Kim was an ensign for 7 years, but Travis made it a whole 10 years without advancing in rank once! Woohoo! :rolleyes:

Hey! Wow! I hate to disagree with y'all but this was the best TNG episode I've seen in YEARS! :thumbsup: Whoo-hoo! Bring more of them on! I never realized how much I liked TNG before! :p

I hope I hope it's not the 90210ish 'Starfleet Academy' nuke Berman has been pushing for years.[/font]

That was Winter and Bennett pushing the Academy notion, not Berman.

Isn't this guy the one who got all the airplay last year about a TREK trilogy movie reboot? It was this absurd film series about the impact of fusion on Starfleet and the Federation, spanning between ENT and TOS (you'd have seen teenaged Kirk in a cameo in the last act of the third film.) This was written up on AICN and other places at least a year back. They said it was the guy who wrote SNOW DOGS ... don't know if he also wrote BAND or not (hey, the guy who wrote BAD NEWS BEARS also wrote Carpenter's THING remake, so there are folks who handle variety!)

BTW, the Bennett Academy idea was actually pretty good from what I read about it. Issues of race and slavery that would have maybe been good to see.

The flaw with the character of Chef is that it was yet another thing they pulled out of their ass without precedent of anything being previously established. They made a big deal of establishing "Chef" as someone practically everyone went to and bared their souls to, and yet not once to my knowledge did they ever establish such a character before hand in even the smallest way. Hmm, kinda like like pulling an earlier NX-01 ship named Enterprise without any precedent whatsoever to support it.

But enough of that. More on point: this episode nicely summed up so much of what I've criticized over the years and boiled down to an essential failing--missed, or rather thrown away potential and effectively cheating the viewers. This not only undermined the ENT characters yet also the TNG characters. Any redeeming aspect of Riker making a tough decision on his own in "Pegasus" is now undermined by him supposedly finding his answer on the holodeck. And, please, just what frigging inspiration did Riker get out of this half-assed "event" anyway? I'd reccommend TNG fans wholly ignore this episode altogether in order to remember Riker in a better light.

The actors cheated the fans because they often didn't even bother acting or when they did they really went over the top. Tpol was often way out of character and Tucker's death scene was way way over the top. Add to that that his demise was thoroughly pointless. And fans of the NX-01 have to feel cheated that their ship is mothballed after a mere ten years.

Admittedly from a personal standpoint I couldn't care less and I'm glad it's over and done with, but from a more objective viewpoint this was an offensive way to do a send off to the viewers who had stuck with the show. To me it clearly shows the utter contempt that I've always suspected Berman has for Trek and the subject matter in general. Fans were promised a "Valentine" and instead were given the finger, all the while making a half assed effort to legitimize the series by using the TNG characters as a tie-in. And this has been emblematic of the series as a whole, and as such this episode was wholly appropriate in that narrow respect. They promised a Trek as had never been seen before...and yet they simply repackaged VOY and tried to pass it off as a legitimate effort. With such a genuinely viable prequel concept they had an almost entirely blank canvas to create a wild and untamed universe never before seen while only having to acknowledge but a handful of things previously established or inferred...and yet they chose the safe and lazy route of merely rehashing most everything they'd done before. One minor case in point for example: the establishing shot of the supposed founding members...and yet not one quick shot of a non-humanoid type alien at the table. Now how damned lame is that? It was simply more lazy cheap-think.

My disappointment with this series is not simply that I think it was poorly executed as a whole. My disappointment is more profound because it was a wasted four years of missed opportunity that could have, yes could have, revitalized the franchise. There was so much that could have been done. If only it had been in the hands of someone genuinely competent that really understood and appreciated the subject matter. The real failing was not with the actors, or the production staff, or even the writers in general, but with the proven unimaginative hacks at the top directing the whole thing. And that includes the Paramount suits who let these losers keep their jobs for so long while failing the whole time and driving the franchise into the dirt.

The flaw with the character of Chef is that it was yet another thing they pulled out of their ass without precedent of anything being previously established. They made a big deal of establishing "Chef" as someone practically everyone went to and bared their souls to, and yet not once to my knowledge did they ever establish such a character before hand in even the smallest way. Hmm, kinda like like pulling an earlier NX-01 ship named Enterprise without any precedent whatsoever to support it.
And your bias really hamstrung you on this one, 'cause Chef was talked about from the pilot episode. He was mentioned at least half a dozen or more times in every season, IIRC. More in the first season, but not so much after that. He was never mentioned as being a confidante of the crew before this, tho to be fair, it was often obvious that everyone on-ship knew the guy fairly well due to his being a fairly pivotal morale character, what w/being in charge of the food and ships mess. Believe me, if the food sux when you're far from home, it has a profound effect on your morale.

But enough of that. More on point: this episode nicely summed up so much of what I've criticized over the years and boiled down to an essential failing--missed, or rather thrown away potential and effectively cheating the viewers. This not only undermined the ENT characters yet also the TNG characters. Any redeeming aspect of Riker making a tough decision on his own in "Pegasus" is now undermined by him supposedly finding his answer on the holodeck. And, please, just what frigging inspiration did Riker get out of this half-assed "event" anyway? I'd reccommend TNG fans wholly ignore this episode altogether in order to remember Riker in a better light.

The actors cheated the fans because they often didn't even bother acting or when they did they really went over the top. Tpol was often way out of character and Tucker's death scene was way way over the top. Add to that that his demise was thoroughly pointless. And fans of the NX-01 have to feel cheated that their ship is mothballed after a mere ten years.

Admittedly from a personal standpoint I couldn't care less and I'm glad it's over and done with, but from a more objective viewpoint this was an offensive way to do a send off to the viewers who had stuck with the show. To me it clearly shows the utter contempt that I've always suspected Berman has for Trek and the subject matter in general. Fans were promised a "Valentine" and instead were given the finger, all the while making a half assed effort to legitimize the series by using the TNG characters as a tie-in. And this has been emblematic of the series as a whole, and as such this episode was wholly appropriate in that narrow respect. They promised a Trek as had never been seen before...and yet they simply repackaged VOY and tried to pass it off as a legitimate effort. With such a genuinely viable prequel concept they had an almost entirely blank canvas to create a wild and untamed universe never before seen while only having to acknowledge but a handful of things previously established or inferred...and yet they chose the safe and lazy route of merely rehashing most everything they'd done before. One minor case in point for example: the establishing shot of the supposed founding members...and yet not one quick shot of a non-humanoid type alien at the table. Now how damned lame is that? It was simply more lazy cheap-think.

My disappointment with this series is not simply that I think it was poorly executed as a whole. My disappointment is more profound because it was a wasted four years of missed opportunity that could have, yes could have, revitalized the franchise. There was so much that could have been done. If only it had been in the hands of someone genuinely competent that really understood and appreciated the subject matter. The real failing was not with the actors, or the production staff, or even the writers in general, but with the proven unimaginative hacks at the top directing the whole thing. And that includes the Paramount suits who let these losers keep their jobs for so long while failing the whole time and driving the franchise into the dirt.
Wow. For once I actually agree with almost every thing you said here. :eek:

I could go on (and I have) about why this series faltered and crashed, but to be fair this last outing was a real slap on the face to those who had still stuck with the show. I was no fan of Manny Coto, but many viewers still hangin' in there seemed to like what he was doing, and so would it have hurt to have let him write the last outing?

And the ending! Archer is about to give this supposedly dynamic speech...and Riker calls, "Computer, end program." WTF! I mean the fans have gotta be fuming over that alone.

The whole story from the get-go was undermined because right off you're told it's nothing but a holodeck simulation. And Riker's character is undermined because he's shown not to have the real depth of character that the original "Pegasus" episode sought to reaffirm.

This really was a kick in the ass to the fans: attempt to legitimize the series by tying it in to TNG...and then undermine any dramatic and interesting possibilities. If by chance Berman and gang actually thought this was good stirring stuff then they've concretely proven what talentless hacks they are with no inkling of their own incompetence.

Considering how badly Bakula has botched the (admittedly badly-written) speeches he has had in the few eps I've seen, I'm glad to have missed out on what he had to say here.

In the penultimate episode, he has another big boring speech that failed for me utterly. In part that is due to the arrangement of scenes. right before this, the guy playing Phlox blew me away with just a few words about the dead kid ... THAT was superb acting. So when you see Bakula stumbling through his speech right after that, it makes the gap between credibility and awfulness even more clear to me.

Bakula has won a Tony award, I think. But he makes me think this is the worst command portrayal for a regular in trek. I mean, Brooks on DS9 veered from somnabulistic glumness to the o-ver-ar-TI-cu-lat-ing that verged on downright parody, but he did have the goods and ran them out on occasion (PAST TENSE, FAR BEYOND THE STARS.) I've only seen about 25 eps of Lil ENT, but I never saw Bakula deliver the goods. In fact, for me, he probably peaked about the beginning of season 3 of QUANTUM LEAP (though he was fine in a small part in AMERICAN BEAUTY too.)

I think they need a CHARACTER ACTOR to be the lead for the next Trek series, not a 'star' ... so of course I'm back to the notion of Miguel Ferrer, who I've always wanted to see as a trek lead, going back to his TWIN PEAKS days as ascerbic Albert.

Of course I also think they need to find out that replication is bad for the universe so they wind up losing some of the OTT magic box tech of ModernTrek, and I've thought that going back to when TP was on the air, too ...

I was really open to Bakula in the beginning. He's not that strong in a command position, it usually comes off unconvincing. That kind of fit his QL character though, so it worked really well. But I was all right with that, what are you going to do? I really wish some kind soul had gotten him to stop his "dramatic pacing" back and forth whenever he's mulling some situation over. He does it so deliberately, waddling over the set....it got kinda silly after awhile. :)

Anytime I saw Bakula as Archer I kept thinking, "Allright already. Will someone call a break and let the poor slob go to the can. I mean how long can he hold it?" :lol:

But what really kills me is this--after watching Bakula in action over the past four years no one best ever again complain of Shatner hamming it up during TOS or even during the films. Okay, his antics in "And The Children Shall Lead" and The Final frontier are still cringe worthy, but overall I think Bakula takes top prize for overreaching.

And again in defense of Shatner. Ten years after the end of TNG and Riker looks gone to seed and inflated. Tens years after TOS we had TMP and the only thing Shatner needed was a better hair stylist. :lol:

Jeff, "Wrotten" was an honest to god typo. There must be something to that Freud stuff! :eek:

(sorry it took so long to check back, I've been travelling. This is the first chance I've gotten to get online, and it's on my Mom's dial-up. A blazing 26K connection. after having a cable modem for a few years, this is torture!!)

Warped9 - say what you really feel, man! :lol:

[QUOTE=trevanian]That was Winter and Bennett pushing the Academy notion, not Berman.
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Nope. Berman wants young Kirk, Spock, and McCoy together at Starfleet Academy. A ridiculous notion since they're all different ages and had been in Starfleet a different number of years than the others.

Berman has shown time and time again that he considers Continuity about as much as Ron Moore. Damn the torpedos, damn everything, and that it's right as long as the proper nouns and technology are there

In the words of Bill Murray from "Scrooged"..."Oh my God...does THAT suck!!"

Can't say it better than Warped9, so I won't try.

[QUOTE=trevanian]That was Winter and Bennett pushing the Academy notion, not Berman.
QUOTE]

Nope. Berman wants young Kirk, Spock, and McCoy together at Starfleet Academy. A ridiculous notion since they're all different ages and had been in Starfleet a different number of years than the others.
The original idea came from Harve Bennett quote a few years back. I'm not going to dig up my copies of "Star Trek" The Magazine", but I'm pretty certain he pitched the idea for the second Star Trek feature film.






Berman has shown time and time again that he considers Continuity about as much as Ron Moore. Damn the torpedos, damn everything, and that it's right as long as the proper nouns and technology are there
Ron Moore has an excellent sense of continuity. He took the original, exceedingly crappy, overly campy BSG from the late '70's and made it his own with adult themes and situations. His DS9 work, as far as I can recall, was great where continuity is concerned. Of course, I'm going to go out on a limb here and just presume you're doing your usual pissing about Ron Moore's excellent updating of the old BSG story and that your accusations have zero basis in fact, as usual. :D

I like you Griff... :)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Berman+and+Starfleet+Academy+series

Like him, hell! He's like a brother to me!
I like you Griff... :)

I like you Griff... :)

Like him, hell! He's like a brother to me!

And you guys are pretty darned kewel in my book, too! :)

Meh... I just like yankin' their wee-wee's anymore. They want to come here and tell it like it is, huh? Well, I'll start tellin' it like it is, too. Don't like it? Call the Waaaaah-mbulance to take you back to Mommy & Daddy's basement! :devil:


Sorry for the rant, fellas. I just get mighty perplexed about some of the folks who constantly bring their diarrhetic diatribes in here and dumping it in front of us all. It gets mightly old, too.

So say we all!

BTW, are you guys - Rich and Rob - coming to WonderFest this year?