I know that I don't have a shot for the radio..But if I can finish in the 5 I will be happy..

That could very easily happen Dennis. Myself, and anyone that jumps in now aren't gonna really have much of an impact as far as the overall stands go, other ten taking up a few spots somewhere in the field.. hopefully not the last place spots :P

So all us buschwackers .......

Hey just like real NASCAR!!
When the Nextel Cup guys go down and wax the Busch regulars...
Cool..

Yeah, something like that... except we'll probably be the ones getting waxed.. hope it doesn't hurt :)

IT will be fun beatting Jason in stock LOL

I knew I shouldn't have worked on your car Ed.... :P

Yeah, something like that... except we'll probably be the ones getting waxed.. :)

Yeah, one can only hope.. :rolleyes:

I'll try my best... make sure Heath puts me in your heat.

.............. :lol: ..................

Jason how many laps you going to give me ? I say I need 4 laps

I'll try my best... make sure Heath puts me in your heat.


That'd be like me going into a gunfight with a pocket knife...
You're way out of my league, cowboy... :rolleyes:

I assumed that as you were hoping that I would get mixed off the track, or beat, whichever it was that you were implying, that you would like a shot to do it yourself.... besides, then I would at least get to know who you are... your screen name doesn't ring any bells.

That'd be like me going into a gunfight with a pocket knife...
You're way out of my league, cowboy... :rolleyes:

If that is the case, then I assume that means you are a b/c main guy.... which makes me wonder even more, what did I ever do to you :confused: :confused:

I assumed that as you were hoping that I would get mixed off the track, or beat, whichever it was that you were implying, that you would like a shot to do it yourself....

I would never in a billion years intentionally wreck a guy...
And I don't like seeing guys get wrecked...
You couldn't be more wrong.

If that is the case, then I assume that means you are a b/c main guy.... which makes me wonder even more, what did I ever do to you :confused: :confused:

You never did anything to 'me', it's what you are attempting to do..

You are right, I am B-C main kind of guy. And if I was racing this series,
and near the top in points,I would be pissed that you are trying to get
others to run the stock class with only two races to go,
"just for kicks".. . I just don't think it's fair to the guys that
signed up, and committed to run that class. Had you started out there,
fine, I'd be the first to say how great of a job you did.
But to the ones that are trying to win it, if it's a close race, there is nothing
positive that you and others can add to that particular series, only hurt it.

The time to enter a short series isn't half way through, when there are guys
battling for the top spots. You or one of the other guys that come in,
could keep a guy out of a higher main. One that he would 'normally' be in.
That could make the difference between a guy winning or losing...

It's not about "you", I don't even know you,
it's about what you are trying to do.

It's also not about getting beat... I get beat all the time.
It's no biggie.
It's about doing the right thing for the guys committed to a class....

This isn't the last series that Heath is going to run. He'll do many more.
And if you sign up for a stock series in the future,
and beat the snot out of me on the track,
I'll be the first to go over and shake your hand..

There are enough guys there that do know me, they can say whatever
they want about my racing, but no one can say that my best interest
is not for what's best for the sport first...

Think about it... maybe you can see where I'm coming from...

I do understand where you are coming from.. and I do agree, it is gonna make it harder for guys to make a last ditch effort to run for the points. I'll bring that up to heath, maybe he can exclude us that run the last 2 races alone from points or something. I'd stick to running 19 turn, but as that has already beed decided, I'm pretty sure that it's gonna be a dead class now, with nothing to race for other then bragging rights, it's not gonna attract a crowd. I was gonna run stock, as I most likly will have a new car by then, and wanted to use it as testing grounds for that, not so much so to screw anyone up, more because I wanted to be able to compare it to a larger field of cars. The car isn't even fully released yet, and I didn't wanna bring up that I would be running it as it's not available as of this minute, but will be in a a month at the most.

For what it's worth, i really haven't even aimed to "beat the snot" otu of anyone, this series, as I have stated earlier, has been a way for me to get away from alot fo the stressful crap I have goign on, doing well, hell, winning the 19 turn class, was a bonus. I'd be lying if I said I didn't try to win, hell, if you are gonna race anything, you are tryin to win, that is the entire premise of racing, to beat others at something... so I guess in that aspect, I did try... but it wasn't the intent to win, it was the intent to get away... the win again, was a bonus.

be sure to stop by and introduce yourslef next time you are at the track when I am.. I'm sure internet chatter will mean nothing, and maybe I can help you out, most people that do ask, usually end up running better. Look at Ed, I even got him going around in a semi respectable manner, and that was one look at his car ( don't take it as a dig Ed... I ws happy to help LOL )!

i dont think that there is anything wrong with anyone jumping into any class at anytime during a points series. do the bush guys get bent when nascar guys race with them? or do they look at it as a chance to run against the top guys to try and prove that they can run with the big dogs? or do they look at it as a learning experience? having people with more experience run in your class opens the doors for a lot more meaingful help. now when you go up to jason and ask him questions about you're stock setup he will have a better idea of what specifically works at that particular track.

jason
what do you have for a nwe car coming?

Tj

As for one who is in the stock series I will be the 1st to say to Jason and the other 19T guys.....Welcome aboard.......I made the switch to stock about 6 months ago from 19T and it is the most fun I have had racing than the old 6 cell stock days...............

People should remember this is a hobby.....I enjoy racing against a large group of racers and I feel the more people in a certain class the better,...When you can race and rub against the better racers in the New England Area and be competitive you feel like you accomplished something...

.

I entered this series knowing I didnt have a chance on winning a radio...Im using batteries more than a year old because that is all I can afford right know...but the 2 times I have gone I have ran competitive......Thats enough

for me........Hope to be there for the next one......Rick

You guys are making me read to much.

The content is cool, but can you say it in less words. I only a few minutes to read the thread in-between doing inventory and helping customers. :p

I am just please to see that people want to keep racing in the series.

Thanks again to all the racers that have been taking part in the Summer Series.

S.O.S. - IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER

Maximus

Heath....will the 3800's be allowed for the SOS.......

i dont think that there is anything wrong with anyone jumping into any class at anytime during a points series. do the bush guys get bent when nascar guys race with them? or do they look at it as a chance to run against the top guys to try and prove that they can run with the big dogs? or do they look at it as a learning experience? having people with more experience run in your class opens the doors for a lot more meaingful help. now when you go up to jason and ask him questions about you're stock setup he will have a better idea of what specifically works at that particular track.


Finally a meaningful reply that makes sense, in every aspect! If I find something that works.. I share it. Anyone asks how I'm running my car.. unless I'm in the middle of working on it, I usually just hand it over, tel them to measure, weigh it for tweak, whatever!

As for the new car TJ, it's a Darkside car, new production run, should have the offset servo setup on it ( you saw that on one of my cars a couple years ago in fairfield I do believe ) and with any luck, I'll have the vertical rear shocks in the following weeks after getting the car set up and running with the regular style. I just want to get a base tune for the car before trying to completely reinvent the wheel... should be good.

Darkside Motorsports... over to the right>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hyperform Racing is pleased to announce the addition of Nick Dorocz to our racing team. Welcome to the team Nick and thank you for choosing Hyperform power!

Jason
looks cool, have you tried those vertical shocks on anything before? looks like adjusting tweek will be opposite of horizontal shocks.
I wonder if the spring rates will be alot differant do to leverage.

TJ

Jason Dan is the nices guy you can meet or race with.and he is a A main driver. I see were he is coming from.but I race for the fun of the sport and always have. I will just have to beat you LOL .well off to golfing to beat the golfers i am playing. Jason nice job keeping your cool.you handle it good. even thoe dan is right.but it it is fine with me i was hopeing to make the b main next time so give me 4 lap lead.

Heath will 3800 be alowed for the SOS. I HOPE SO. GOOD JOB NICK.HYPERFORM DOES A GOOD JOB

TJ, you are right, the vertical shocks will have to be sprung backwards from regular shocks to get the same effect. I haven't tried that as of yet, but this design is a leadoff for what the next version will have From the calculations i made, the spring rates should be about 1 spring rate stiffer on this car because of the distance from center, when compared to the top of the pod. I think I may start with the shocks laying down to get a bas setup bfore going to that though, be nice to have something to work off of, rather then trying to figure out the entire thign all at once... just to take that variable out.

I can say this, the next version of that will not be using the small VCS shocks, but a set of TC3 shocks most likly possibly somethign slightly longer for more down travel, and there will be no center shock.... Can't exactly explain how that is gonna be done, don't wanna give the whole farm th the entire industry, but when it's all said and done, a nascar engineering book will be able to be directly applied to this car.. That was the original intent, this is a start to get used to how the vertical shock and differnet roll angles will effect the car. Actual roll center adjustments, as well as progressiveness will be adjustanbe with that setup too, something that no other car haas ever done. The tall shock tower will also allow for very short rear body mounts, reducing weight, and increasing the rigidity of the body. I'm actually really excited to get the car and start working with it.

Ed, You know the deal.

do the bush guys get bent when nascar guys race with them?

Absolutely... You must not be following NASCAR too closely.
It has gotten so bad, that finally NASCAR is actually looking into
some way of keeping the large number of cup teams, out of the
Busch series... Something they have never considered in the past.
Because it was never as big a problem as it is now...

Busch teams are dropping like flies, because at some races there
are as many as 15 or more cuppers in the field..
And that many Busch guys going home with no paycheck...

All of that stuff you hear on tv about how they love racing the cup guys,
is just BS. The guys know that they will never get a shot at the big show,
if they bitch about them on national tv.
Ask the drivers/owners sitting on top of their haulers watching the race,
how much they are learning from Kevin Harvick...
Talk to some of them away from the track and/or media...

I would have to agree with Dan on the part that busch drivers would be more honest off camera, and not be happy about so many cup drivers running in the busch races. However, they shouldn't be so quick to complain, watching the busch race today, Bill Elliott raced, should there be a complaint that he is racing the busch series, but not a full time ride in cup? The same would apply to any type of racing series. What if a driver could only make for two races out of five, should he not compete since he would not be competetive in the points standings with only running twice? As each driver races the points series every week the racing will become more diverse for one reason or another, but in the end, everyone gives thier best effort and has fun not matter where they end up.

Now that I have had my say, let's get down to business. What motor for stock, Epic or Monster and no holding back on the answers? :D
I was thinking of trying a Hyperform Motor (I've heard those motors do well in on-road, has anyone run one for oval yet?)
See all on the 27th.

Anchor :thumbsup:

I hear those Hyperform motors suck! ;)

WOW!

Anchor :eek:

I will let you know after this next points race.. One more day at work tomorrow and I'm on vacation for two weeks.:)

I will most likely get one ahead of time to practice with anyway.


Anchor :thumbsup:

Lino,

I put together a hyperform battery today, and put on the first cycle. That pack is right on, good job. :thumbsup:

Anchor

Lino,

I put together a hyperform battery today, and put on the first cycle. That pack is right on, good job. :thumbsup:

Anchor

I've had several people tell me that. Always good to hear!

jim the epic is the way to go. but the monster is ok also

I would have to agree with Dan on the part that busch drivers would be more honest off camera, and not be happy about so many cup drivers running in the busch races. However, they shouldn't be so quick to complain, watching the busch race today, Bill Elliott raced, should there be a complaint that he is racing the busch series, but not a full time ride in cup? The same would apply to any type of racing series. What if a driver could only make for two races out of five, should he not compete since he would not be competetive in the points standings with only running twice? As each driver races the points series every week the racing will become more diverse for one reason or another, but in the end, everyone gives thier best effort and has fun not matter where they end up.


Let's clarify this a bit, Jim...
The big complaint is not with the occasional race run by a retired Bill Elliott.
or a Kenny Wallace.
The complaint is with guys like Harvick, Junior, Martin etc.
That have 1.) full time cup contracts,
and 2.) are running for championship cup teams.

The feeling is, if you have a full time cup deal,
you do not need to be in the Busch series..... period.

This is what NASCAR is looking at...
And with several Busch teams closing it's doors recently there definetly is
a problem that needs to be addressed..
If NASCAR chooses to charge the cup teams with a test date, for each
Busch race they run.... watch them bail out of the series in a hurry...

So far this season, and it's only about half over,
the Cup guys have taken over FIVE MILLION dollars away from the Busch
regulars.... $5,000,000.00!!

When I was racing, once or twice a year, we would have a cup guy or two
come and race with us. This was a publicity thing, and it helped boost the
front gate. It was cool with all of us.
We got a chance to meet the guys, and have a beer
after the races were done.
I have no problem with the occassional
Bill Elliott or whomever in these races, especially the stand alone shows.
BUT, if Richard Childress, Jack Roush, and Rick Hendrick had decided
to put their respective teams out there,
on a weekly basis just "for the heck of it", they would have all been dumped,
"just for the heck of it"...

Last year at the Oxford 250, Matt Kenseth and Kurt Busch ran.
They ran in MAINE cars, for MAINE owners. The place was sold out,
they put on a great show. But they did not take the top 2 spots.
Now if Roush decided to put all of his resources into Matt and Kurt, and
toss in Gregg Biffle and Carl Edwards, to run Oxford every week.......
uh uh..... not good.

It's called the big fish in the small pond syndrome...
The bad thing about this scenario, is what usually happens,
the fish in the small pond end up moving to another pond.
And the big fish either swims by himself, or moves back to the big pond..

Well I 'd like to think that the big pond size won't be an issue here, as there's very few places left to race, and as there are really only 2 classes being run anymore, stock and 19 turn, there' really not a whole lot of options for people to run, as far as different classes anymore. I personally don't run 2 classes unless there's at least 10 heats, as with less then that, the time between runs is too short to really put a solid effort at 2 cars. Big events, I'm sure that Maximus, like most tracks will get more ten 10 heats in the winter, in that case, I'll run both classes. Hopefully Heath will go with a handout stock class too, as that really does take alot of the HP headaches out, everyone's on a real level palying field for the stock class, like they have been for about 15 years now. Make sthe car and driver really the deciding factor, not who spent the most time at home on the syno working on a box of motors so much. I don't think at all that people will not race at all because some of the upper end guys are running both stock and 19 turn... it may make some guys that are weekly a main guys become b and maybe even c main guys.. but that should be motivation to work on your car, driving, or whatever it is that caused you not to be in the main at the larger event... if that isn't the case, and guys decide not to race because of a fear of being beat... then they are not really racing to get better... and the entire premise of racing is to compete with others is kinda out the window.

For anyone that isn't happy because I chose to run stock, I am sorry, and anyone that isn't happy about me running 2 classes, or anyone else that does and is an A main guy, I apologize for them too then I guess.

Dan,

That was more indepth and lenghty of an explanation than I needed. But, I see what you are saying, and I understand how it works on the surface and behind the scenes, but didn't think it was worth a lengthy statement about the subject. However, I feel that any racers who are running any type of point series that do not like the situation are able to express thier feelings (haven't seen any on here), and those who are NOT running OR unaffected by the results should wait until the situation pertains to their racing. The series at Maximus will conclude at the end of August and hope you will be able to come down for racing on the weekly schedule when that begins.

Anchor :thumbsup:

I would like to see a hand out motor race for the S.O.S. coming up in September...

I don't open my mouth very often (and there is a good reason), but I'm gonna have to Stick up for Jason on this one. Last time I checked NONE of us were doing this to put food on our table. The fact that Dan is carrying on this arguemant cracks me up. The Nascar/Busch arguemant, (where guys make a living and put food on their tables) is just silly. We are all in this hobby for one thing, and that is to have fun. The reality is, The fast guys will always be the fast guys, regardless of what class they run. Mabey the only solution is to have a sponsor class and a retail class ( I paid full retail for everything I buy, no 50% deals on tires, no free brushes, and I usually am I the "A" main!!!) But then again, I'd like to see how many people actually are 100% retail guys like myself.

nuff said
Jay

I'll be the first to admit I am not a 100% off the shelf guy, I have my in's with people, and try to support and promote whatever I am getting from them, it's not an easy thing to do, as I am running one car, run for a guy that makes a car, but only run his motors, run for a battery guy, and have a source to buy tires at about what a hobby shop pays. Now I have on teh way a new Darkside car, once it arrives, I will be calling around to get the finishing parts from wherever I can, and providing it works out well, will be going to this car.... I understand the guy that buys everything out of a store, does it mean that the stuff he can get is inferior to a guy taht has an in.. 5 to 6 years ago, I'd say yes, but not today,a s the battery field has leveled off quite a it I think, you can get good packs from anyone, as long as you are on the top of their food chain, motors are pretty equeal, tires, well, best thing to do with those is to get them in the cheapest manner you can, myself, I'd get donuts and mount them myself to save the $$ if I could, even if I had a tire deal with a manufacturer, I'd still rathre do that, so I can kinda make stuff specificially for what I need if need be, unfortunately, that industry has about died... probably hurt the hobby having that be the case too.

Yes, I would definately like to see an handout for that race. When is it planned for, as I'm getting married on the 17th,a nd will be gone the following weekend on the honeymoon... I'm hoping that it's the last saturday/sunday of te month.... but if not, that's o.k... I'll be missing it for a good reason. :)

Oh, and thanks Jay, finally someone that agrees with me.. see, I'm not a total extremist... :)

I will see you boys for the next one for sure! concluded my off road season today, ready to go fast turn left!!!!
Nick

The fact that Dan is carrying on this arguemant cracks me up. The Nascar/Busch arguemant, (where guys make a living and put food on their tables) is just silly. Jay

Oh heavens.... let's not ever discuss anything that everyone doesn't
agree with 100%!!
Let's not ever consider an alternative opinion to our own.
And by all means, if we don't understand/agree with something,
let's catagorize it as "silly".

If you all would go back, and read my last post, it was a reply to something
strictly about NASCAR racing to Jim....
Nowhere in that post did I mention r/c racing, Maximus, racers at Maximus,
racers thinking about racing at Maximus, or Jason Lambert.
I simply responded to Jim's post about NASCAR Busch racing.
Did you see any names in there about guys running r/c??
Any reference to r/c??
You guys running the Oxford 250??
Gregg Biffle running with you guys??

As for the deal with some changing classes midstream,
as far as I'm concerned it's over. It was over the other day.
Truth is, I really don't care what anyone does.
Like Jim said, I'm not in it.

BUT I can have an opinion. I expressed it, that's it, it's over..
You know, anyone can have an opinion, and because it may not
coincide with your own, doesn't mean it's wrong..
Certainly doesn't mean it's silly.

Time to move on...
good luck to all of you.

(btw sorry it was so long, Jim... :( )

Nick glad to see you will be showing up to race...

Just a bit long, good reading though :-) , but I understood what you were saying. It all comes down to ratings! They don't care what the other drivers think, just how large the ratings are after they crunch numbers. Hope to see you soon at Maximus.

Anchor

Dan can you repeat that all again LOL. hope to see you soon. sept will be here soon.hope you make the SOS race

Go to work bojo....lol

I tuned in for some results from the last race, but I guess you didn't race???

How did the New-yorkers do???

Later, Bret