Just wondering, has there been any oval coverage in magazines lately? I haven't heard anything either way... just wondering if anyones seen anything? :freak:


edited on April 27th:

This was an attempt at humor, not some weak attempt for a shameless plug (since its been mentioned). That's lame and I'm not gonna pull garbage like that. :thumbsup:

The newest edition of R/C Action has coverage on the snowbirds. Not the best but I guess its something. Also heard from Boylan that the other mags have their coverage of it this month too. Haven't seen any yet thought.

lol. I guess that sort of blew up in my face :freak: LOL I was just pointing out that despite covering more oval, no ones said anything but thanks. :thumbsup:

Strangely, I can't seem to find R/C Car Magazines at my favorite corner market anymore.

They use to carry RCCA, Xtreme and RC Driver, but I haven't seen one for 2 months...

RC Driver usually covers the ROAR oval nats, the Custom Works dirt oval race and sometimes big races that the tracks near Connecticut. Other than that nothing for Norrca or Arcor events.

But I did not see them at the nats this past weekend. maybe I missed them, but i know when a magazing does cover the event they make you fill out an equipment list and we never had to fill anything out.

Matter of fact their oval coverage has been less and less so I am not renewing my subscription. Sick of reading about Nitro Monster trucks and Stadium trucks. I know that drives the market but just tired of it issue after issue.

I think Kenny B was supposed to cover the Roar nats for Car Action. Not sure if he did or not, he was there though.

Why yes I have seen some coverage. I thought RC Driver covered K/N Winterblast pretty well!

Does RC Driver have a website? I would like a subscription.

Tom

Does RC Driver have a website? I would like a subscription.


http://www.rcdriver.com/

This thread is a set up because, if I'm not mistaken, ekid138 is associated with RCDriver magazine.

I agree with erock - the oval coverage in RCDriver magazine is minimal and on the decline. I, too, am sitting here with my subscription renewal card and I probably will not send it in. I know this has been argued a million times before and I know that the magazine industry is driven by the market but I'd like a little more oval coverage for my money. I subscribe to no other RC magazine for the same reason. RCDriver seemed to start out with good intentions but, in my opinion, the coverage is slipping. There is a boat review every month. There are mini monster truck reviews every month. Is it asking too much to review something oval every month?

I see that the Maverick chassis has been advertised in the June 2005 issue. It is obvious that RCDriver reviews are "driven" by the manufacturer's willingness to advertise in the magazine. Since the manufacturer has paid their bill, will we see a review of the Maverick chassis in the near future? Time will tell.

Sorry, ekid138, but if you started this thread to get a bunch of "you guys are the greatest!" compliments, you won't get one from me. It seems like you're fishing for positive remarks about oval race and product coverage that is minimal at best.

Now what did I do with that subscription card ...................................?

Kevin

The June 2005 of RC Driver also has an advertisement for Custom Works' sprint.

It did have a blurb on the oval race at Boylan's Snowbird race.

I have to agree, other than the few stories about Cup drivers and the K/N Classic we have been without any oval racing in a lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time.

M.P.

I agree with you PanMan, oval coverage is sad in all the magazines out there.How are hobbiest or racers even gonna know oval racing exist, seems like we are the black sheep of this hobby.Like you said ALL the magazines out there will have a 5 page write up about nonsense stuff ( im not tring to bash anyone).I do not and will not support any of the magazines out there until we as oval racers get some covarage.

Okay my 2 cents rc driver is by far the best but unfortunately that is not saying much. I can't beleive they can dedicate a whole section to robots. Why not a oval feature every month. Every month you could cover a race or another story. During the winter you make it carpet and in the summer dirt oval or paved. You can't tell me that robot people buy this magazine for a couple pages of info. I think oval people would buy it because the rest of the magazine would have at least some stuff worth glancing at for the oval head. Maybe I am underating the robotic people all I know is that within 200 miles their are about 12 places to run oval every weekend. In the past year in that same 200 mile area their may have been one and I mean maybe one robotic show. Please tell me if I am wrong I just don't get it.

I glanced through the June issue of RC Driver last nite and was quite disappointed. The coverage of the Snowbirds was quite good, but, they are becoming more like RCCA with every issue. There were more pics of Touring cars and virtually NO pics of Oval cars. I know for a fact that there were many prototype cars there and not one pic or mention of it. With that said RC Driver is still the best for oval coverage, imo.

Chad O

Xtreme RC's coverage of the the oval side of the snowbirds was better than RC Driver, they had a whole lot more pics, all I saw in Driver was Touring Car pics. After racing oval for 12 or so years I took about a 6 year break, and I just started back up about this time last year, and to date I have seen one oval car reviewed in any of the mags. and I think Barry(Hyperdrive) had to buy an add so they would put it in the mag. Driver reviews a boat every month how about rotating and doing an oval or dirt oval car every other month.

It's all about money, man. Whoever pays gets a spread. This is not the most unbiased way to cover the RC hobby for their subscribers but all the magazines are alike. Money talks.

Kevin

I work for Driver I posted that with the thought that pretty much everyone, especially on the oval forum, knew that. My point in starting this was actually quite the opposite of looking for "nice job". It was to prove a point. And after reading your posts (not all of you but you know who you are) it only confirms that very point. When there's no oval coverage, everyone (including people who know me personally) waste no time in jumping on the band wagon of "there's no oval coverage" and "I guess I'll just abandon the only a magazine that's actually given me something". Then I spend days defending the same old point just to go round and round again. When there IS coverage, no one says a word, leaving us (the magazines) to believe that it was covered for nothing. Guys, don't get me wrong, I'm not here to argue and my intentions were NEVER to start flaming people or arguing with them. Rather they were ONLY, and have been since before Driver even existed, to point out a fellow oval racers observations about our group of people. We want oval to be what it used to but know one wants to do anything other than sit back and let it be done for them. I've posted before that if oval is going to go anywhere further, it needs to be supported not only by magazines (which I've done the best I can), but by the racers/readers end of it too, and for the decade that this arguement has been going on it hasn't happened on either end (mags or readers). When I started working at Driver I set out to at least bring one side a little closer but the problem I still run into is that the readers don't respond. We (oval racers, myself included) are just as responsible for which ever direction oval goes as mags, manufacturers, and anyone else. My point of this post wasn't even about Drivers coverage or anyone elses for that matter, but more to bring up a point that I personally feel has played a major role in why oval has declined from what it was in the 80's and 90's. Come on guys we need to work together if this is ever going to happen.

PS, please don't take my points I make as being negative, they are actually for quite the opposite. :thumbsup:

sorry... PSS. I've repeatedly tried to get a hold of NORRCA and ARCOR, both through this forum, email, and otherwise. As a matter of fact I even remember trying to get EA Mtrspts in some coverage to no success. So if you have some sort of more realistic reason why I can't even get info about races or anything else, I'm all ears. AND.. Less and less? We've covered the same races as last year and have actually have more in store for this year than we did last year. So how is that less? But that all gets back to my above point really. Eric, I'm sorry we could keep you happy, and I really do consider you a friend. Please keep us in mind if we do cover something that interests you. :)

ekid138 - I really don't get what you're trying to say. You say you aren't looking for compliments, but then you mention that no one responds when you DO run some small oval-related article. Are we supposed to send flowers? You say the racers are guilty of not supporting oval racing. In what way? The racers are out there every weekend spending money on cars and parts and paying race fees for the opportunity to race with their friends. If that isn't "support" then what is? This HobbyTalk forum is the largest of all the forums and it's TOTALLY supported by oval racers. There's more information on this web site than all of the RC mags combined for the past three years - and it's FREE! I'm very confused by your remarks. If we're not supporting the oval section of the hobby, then please tell us - step by step - how to do that.

When your team started RCDriver magazine, you stated to the world "Our talent is writing about the RC hobby. We will write articles that are worth paying for. Please pay for our magazine and we will try to give you your money's worth". You've got to be able to take criticism - especially if you select your particular line of work.

I believe you when you say that you've tried and done the best you can to cover oval racing in your magazine. I also know (and I've said it before) that the magazines absolutely cater to the manufacturers that advertise in their product. It's business, baby and I understand that. All that the oval racers are asking for is a small portion of the magazine on a regular basis. The Maverick '05 chassis was recently advertised - how about someone doing a REAL review of the car. Build one and race it for a few weeks and report back to your readers on what you've found. Next, go for the Custom Works sprint car. There - we've just covered two months out of your next 12 issues.

I usually try to stay out of these "discussions" because it's like talking religion - no one ever convinces the other that there's a problem. It's a very opinionated topic. The only reason I felt compelled to write is because you started the thread with a somewhat sarcastic attitude. That lit my fuse.

The best way to illustrate my dissatisfaction is not to type a rebuttle to all of your remarks, but to throw away the subscription card that is on my desk. In my opinion, RCDriver is no longer the "value" that I thought it once was.

Kevin

I did subscribe last year but will not up my subscription. Too little of interest in the magazine for an oval junkie to read. With the internet now no one even cares about the ads anymore. I'm not sure magazines have much of a future outside of selling them in airports, info is dated, often reviews are jaded since you can't bite the hand that feeds you. The web offers instant feedback from experts and most large events have far more coverage than a magazine can commit anyways. Just my 2 cents.

Tom

ekid: About that Maverick article idea Kevin had ... e-mail me!

JPHRacing001@aol.com

Kevin, I hear you. My over all response is what i always try to point out... that I am and have always been one of you. I've been on the angry oval reader side for nearly a decade and my overall point was that we've (oval readers) gotten something from a magazine! It's not all that I would like it to be but anything is in and of itself was a small miracle. With the exception of Carpet Nats that we just couldn't cover this year, are on the exact same schedule of oval coverage as last year and even have other things coming (trust me... I've got the inside track on it). :thumbsup: I was just bringing up the "religion" (I love your analogy) in hopes of pointing out the other sides point of view since I've been lucky enough to live both sides. I believe that in the past, other magazine people have tried to explain this point but because of the taboo that surrounds those people in specific, and magazines in general, the truth behind their statements although not the way I would've handled it myself, got missed and lost. I'll give you the low down on how mags really work because I believe that honestly is the only way to deal with people and that it in being honest you may possibly understand what I'm saying (and I've written this before and will probaby have to do it again but...). Despite what I used to believe as a reader and from the mags side it what it appears oval readers believe... there is no "conspiricy" to make oval unsuccessful. LOL. You know what I mean. A magazine is a business just like you said, just like the one you drive to every morning. The unfortunate disadvantage mags have is that people don't generally have Capentry, Computer Science, Law, whatever you all do for a living, for example, as a means of enjoyment (a hobby). So what ends up happening is that because its something you (the reader) do for pleasure, your mind set isn't the same as it is toward your career. If it is, you may need a new hobby...lol. When I go to work it is exactly that... work, no different from your job. Although I have made what I do for enjoyment into my career, when it comes down to it, my hobby (r/c) and my job (r/c) are totally seperate... they just have to be. My hobby and love in life has been r/c cars since I was a very little boy... enough said. An editors job, on the other hand is to write an article that gives a product (doesn't even have to be r/c) exposure so that, we'll say Hyperdrive since I did a review for them and its topical to this, can sell car kits. In exchange, the company that I work for makes money from the manufacturers of these reviewed products through ad dollars that are spent to support the exposure of the product. The article offers the manf. a way to show what they have to offer to their potential customers (you the readers). Backing it up with an add help that customer remember their product. Its the same as television, ads are just like commercials and a lot of the programing on tv, although not as direct of a comparison as our tests, is made to sell you something. American Idol for example, as much as I hate that show and am sure not all of you enjoy it either, is like a vehicle test done by Fox. Entertainment is draw viewers (readers) to the show (mag). Fox (mag) makes money by airing (printing) it because record companies (manufacturers) make money selling the records (cars, etc) produced by the show (this is just an example). Back to the magazines. Since we can now see that yes... manf. want to sell you cars (or other things), and that they buy ad space to further help sell you their products over someone elses, along with the review, that we can say that magazines make money by reviewing cars, etc. Your work makes a product (just like a magazine) to make money too and in most cases a similar analogy to those made can be said of most any business. That's the foundation on which business as a principle exists; spending money to show customers that their product is worth spending money on. So why do we do other things rather than just review products? A couple reasons, we still have to make a product of value to sell to you too for one (I guess it would be pretty ironic if there was a r/c magazine that reviewed r/c magazines...lol). If we don't make a product worth a customers hard earned money by giving them something to read (in this case oval coverage), than we can't sell our magazine as a forum for manfacturers (in this case Hyperdrive) to show you the reader their products. The other reasons? As much as this is a job for us... it is also something that we love to do. I can only speak for myself but I think everyone of us loves r/c more than anything else in life (hence why I'm writing all this) and God for bid we do something that gives us enjoyment for a living. I am open to the idea and even agree to a certain extent that the point of my last posts are in part that I am (as an employee of my company) trying to secure our customers with our product. The more important point however, and it's the one I feel has been missed in the past, is in defense of my hobby, oval racing. I need the rest of my oval scene to support magazines that support what I do as a hobby (oval) so that manf. make money and make products that I can buy and enjoy on my free time. In short I need my scene to support what supports it so that my scene continues if not improves. I've pressed the oval coverage at work for the very selfish purpose of getting the oval scene something that it NEVER got before hand so that I have a place to race and that this whole thing grows. Since my attempts at orignally sarcasm and later inspiration have still clouded my point I'll spell it out as best I can.

If we as readers don't support magazines that give us something, than they don't make money, they don't cover our scene, our scene doesn't grow and we get mad because it isn't growing because magazines don't cover it.

I wasn't looking for a pat on the back, I was pointing out that the magazine follows what it gets response from, I want to see oval get more coverage but it makes it hard for the magazine when they can't justify it because as far as they know, no one read the articles they did. Magazines chase there vocal readers wants because can keep a group of readers their advertisers want to reach. If oval is to go anywhere, make yourself heard that your out there and your reading. :thumbsup:

ekid: About that Maverick article idea Kevin had ... e-mail me!

JPHRacing001@aol.com

In all honesty I have always wondered how it was that Jakes has advertised for a longtime and never saw a Maverick. Its a great car, and the whole formula is there from a business end. I honestly wasn't sure if you guys made it yourselves or just sold it so I never persued it. I take the blame for a lack of trying. You've got mail! :wave:

Coincidently, to go with that "noval" I just took 2 hours to write, I can tell you that Jakes is the perfect example of what an oval company should be like. They are an oval company supported by you guys, who then reinvests into a magazine that supports oval so that it can grow and so can their company. Unfortunately, in this case... you guys were absolutely correct, because I messed up, and they haven't gotten them any coverage. Not because I meant to but by a simple oversight and the fact that I'm a big dumby! LOL. See I'll admit when I or the mag goes wrong, you just have to trust me a little! :freak: LOL.

-Erich

I did subscribe last year but will not up my subscription. Too little of interest in the magazine for an oval junkie to read. With the internet now no one even cares about the ads anymore. I'm not sure magazines have much of a future outside of selling them in airports, info is dated, often reviews are jaded since you can't bite the hand that feeds you. The web offers instant feedback from experts and most large events have far more coverage than a magazine can commit anyways. Just my 2 cents.

Tom

I agree that the printed magazine is something that will not last forever, and will be replace by online media, that's just the progess of human-kind. My concern as an online reader is that once magazines are gone, whats to stop the online guys from charging you and the cycle continues? I agree with you but it like sort of like Napster and the record companies...LOL. Sorry to keep posting but I feel that since I brought this topic up and you are all readers of one level or another you all derserve replies. Sorry I can't get to everyone but I'll respond to what I can. As a side note, I would never bother going through all this on any other part of HobbyTalk... that's how much I love oval.

Alright lets see I think I understand now. Your reason for this post was that you felt you were covering oval more and was not receiving any feedback on it. If that is what it takes I will make sure I send you guys an e-mail after every oval article if that will increase the amount of oval material in your mag.

As far as feedback lets face it I gave the other mags a D- this month and you guys I would give A D+. I mean lets face it you all have to cover the snowbirds as it is one of the biggest events of the year so i was not suprised to see ot covered. When I start seeing events covered that I would not expect to see in your mag or you have a guess article by a top oval racer on how to set up a front end or diff or motor etc will be when you start getting my money on a regular basis. I will also make sure your back is beat red from all the patting you will have received, lol.

One last question on an average month how much feedback do you receive from the robot and boat people. Thanks for at least trying and discussing things with us.

Alright lets see I think I understand now. Your reason for this post was that you felt you were covering oval more and was not receiving any feedback on it. If that is what it takes I will make sure I send you guys an e-mail after every oval article if that will increase the amount of oval material in your mag.

As far as feedback lets face it I gave the other mags a D- this month and you guys I would give A D+. I mean lets face it you all have to cover the snowbirds as it is one of the biggest events of the year so i was not suprised to see ot covered. When I start seeing events covered that I would not expect to see in your mag or you have a guess article by a top oval racer on how to set up a front end or diff or motor etc will be when you start getting my money on a regular basis. I will also make sure your back is beat red from all the patting you will have received, lol.

One last question on an average month how much feedback do you receive from the robot and boat people. Thanks for at least trying and discussing things with us.

Shane
That is my point, Thank you for understanding. I sometimes have a problem saying it correctly the first time :). Your grades are fair enough considering what content you are looking for. I know we can't please everyone all the time but I am at least trying to get us some coverage when and where I can. No need for the patting...LOL. Feedback is always something we're looking for. As for boat, robots, etc. We do get feedback from those guys, that's why we have a bunch of advertisers for them. Its my hope that we can help oval... not hurt it as has been done in the past by other mags.

Thank you I think you do deserve a lot of credit for coming on here and facing your critics. I do seem to notice that although you think were not discussing your mag that would appear that way when you look on here. Unfortunately most the time by the time you cover something in the mag it has already been rehashed over and over on here. I do know that the articles are discussed a lot on the local hobby shops message board often though. Case in point your spektrum article a couple months back was discussed in great detail. I pimped it myself lol.

:thumbsup:

ekid138 I have the subscription renewal on my desk and it will be sent in I look for oval every month naturally and would like the reviews for sure but realize all the workings on a magazine. It would be nice to rotate between the boats and oval, could it happen who knows now. Thanks for the support from you and the magazine (it's the best we have right now) and I'm looking forward to more reviews. I was at the Paved Oval Nationals held at the Midwest Tri-Clone track last summer in West Bend Wisconsin when Gary Kaser covered it. As yourself he is a oval racer too. He also competed, had fun, and did a good job of covering the races that weekend as it should be. I'll be looking for your new ideas and coverage!! Keep up the good work!!!

I work for Driver I posted that with the thought that pretty much everyone, especially on the oval forum, knew that. My point in starting this was actually quite the opposite of looking for "nice job". It was to prove a point. And after reading your posts (not all of you but you know who you are) it only confirms that very point. When there's no oval coverage, everyone (including people who know me personally) waste no time in jumping on the band wagon of "there's no oval coverage" and "I guess I'll just abandon the only a magazine that's actually given me something". Then I spend days defending the same old point just to go round and round again. When there IS coverage, no one says a word, leaving us (the magazines) to believe that it was covered for nothing. Guys, don't get me wrong, I'm not here to argue and my intentions were NEVER to start flaming people or arguing with them. Rather they were ONLY, and have been since before Driver even existed, to point out a fellow oval racers observations about our group of people. We want oval to be what it used to but know one wants to do anything other than sit back and let it be done for them. I've posted before that if oval is going to go anywhere further, it needs to be supported not only by magazines (which I've done the best I can), but by the racers/readers end of it too, and for the decade that this arguement has been going on it hasn't happened on either end (mags or readers). When I started working at Driver I set out to at least bring one side a little closer but the problem I still run into is that the readers don't respond. As far as XRC's coverage of the oval half of Snowbirds being more thorough... he didn't even watch any of it. Ok I'll give him that he showed up at the end of the night for the mod A main and possibly one other race but that was just about it. So the thouroghness that you enjoyed was purely his editorial talents and not from any legit coverage. I saw XRC's article a while ago so I could (and very well may be) wrong, but was there even any play by play of the races? I don't seem to remember any. As for my coverage, not only did I watch every main (not even just the A's) and write what I saw of during the A Mains, but actually raced in the oval half for the second year in a row. Why? Because I've been racing oval longer than a lot of people have even been in this hobby and when someone says that I (Driver) don't care about oval or don't do the best job I can for it, I take it personally. Especially when its by the some of the same people who I try to apise by covering it in the first place, and even some that I race along side of. We (oval racers, myself included) are just as responsible for which ever direction oval goes as mags, manufacturers, and anyone else. My point of this post wasn't even about Drivers coverage or anyone elses for that matter, but more to bring up a point that I personally feel has played a major role in why oval has declined from what it was in the 80's and 90's. Come on guys we need to work together if this is ever going to happen.

PS, please don't take my points I make as being negative, they are actually for quite the opposite. :thumbsup:


Are you serious with the comments about me in the paragraph above? A-Mains is what it's all about, and I saw them all. In fact if you look at the coverage, I really don't talk about any racing, and all I saw was the mains of every class.

You unfortunately had negative comments about somthing you were gloating about but when people say that the coverage in our magazine was better you try and cut me? Wow. That's all I can say. Maybe Kevin was right...


Anyway. The coverage of the Snowbirds is probably still available in stores, and ever though it was better coverage than the "oval" magazine and better pubilicty...I guess some people need to try to redirect negative feedback.

Derek, I'm open to the fact that I could be very wrong. I'm not back pedaling, everyone says things that are wrong from time to time (yes, even you...lol). I honestly don't remember you being there for all of the mains. I remember you there for the ones we talked at (which I believe where the later ones), but I was up for 48+ hours so it's entirely possible that you were in fact there. I wasn't trying to cut XRC down, I was pointing out the fact that we cover more oval than XRC or any other mag. What I mean is that we are of more value (at least I feel) to the oval racer than other mags. I should hope you aren't going to try and say that you plan to cover more oval, we've all been through that discussion a hundred times, and there's nothing wrong with XRC's decision (it makes perfect business sense), it's just a difference between the mags. The plain and simple (and point of this thread originally) was that Oval rarely got anything, Driver supported oval and now, in the direction of getting more oval covered, I hope that other oval guys would support a mag that is behind them.

PS. The point made by other mag people I initially pointed out that was "missed or lost" was made by you on this very forum. For what it's worth, I was actually agreeing with you.

PSS. Where have you been? I expected you to post on here at least three days ago. LOL (joke). :)

This post is entitled... "Everyone makes mistakes...especially me.".

I've had day and a long flight home from TX to think about things and have decided that I acted very unprofessional in what I wrote by dragging other magazines down, although that was NEVER my intention. Therefore, I have edited my posts to only discuss the issue at hand. I lost sight of bigger, and certainly more important things. My genuine apologizes go out to the other mags that I may have offended.

Hey, I just want to drop a note of thanks to both RC Driver and Extreme for donating some pages to oval car reviews this month. It's a coincidence that both are reviewing the same car, but it was nice to read the two different styles and perspectives.

To Extreme: A special thanks for the plugs of Joe's Southwest Tour and HotRod Hobbies oval program. And, thank you most of all for actually racing your review chassis and talking positively about the small but dedicated oval scene in So-Cal (in the review and your editorial).

Thanks again guys, hope to see more of this in the future!

Jake

Hey, I just want to drop a note of thanks to both RC Driver and Extreme for donating some pages to oval car reviews this month. It's a coincidence that both are reviewing the same car, but it was nice to read the two different styles and perspectives.

To Extreme: A special thanks for the plugs of Joe's Southwest Tour and HotRod Hobbies oval program. And, thank you most of all for actually racing your review chassis and talking positively about the small but dedicated oval scene in So-Cal (in the review and your editorial).

Thanks again guys, hope to see more of this in the future!

Jake
Too little too late for me, thats was just a band-aid to keep us from complaining. Jeff

As an oval racer, simply the market is not there for Mags to alot the coverage.
TC, Offroad and Monster Trucks are what sells, therefore they will put up the $$'s to advertise. I can't blame them for cutting oval out of the picture.

I subscribed to RC Driver when they promised oval coverage. Yes they put in a few race reports but then like mentioned above it has declined to minimal coverage.

I ran all 3 carpet nationals this year (Norrca-Sandhills, ARCOR - Classic, ROAR- Halo) and not one of them was covered.

Matter of fact I when I first subsribed I emailed RC Driver to let them know the oval schedule for the year. They were gracious and asked that I would keep them informed on the oval scene.

I even emailed Greg Vogel before the ROAR nats and he said unless something unexpected comes up that they would be there. I guess something unexpected came up.

I have seen 4 new oval cars put in the mag for new product spotlight, I have seen oval car reviews, and oval race coverage. What else do you guys want. There will be more oval car reviews, but it has more to do with when th mfg. will ever get off their ass's and send the cars in, or spend a little less money on giving parts at discounts to everyone and their mom and start advertising in the magazines.

When oval was on top of the world it had major magazine advertisments because the companies put the money into it. Woods, Hyperdrive, ASC, HPI, Trinity, Customworks, they all had half and full page adds pushing oval, that kind of play the in the magazine will without a doubt get some peoples attention.

and oval race coverage. What else do you guys want.


How bout covering an Oval national ??

Only reason they cover K&N cause it's close by in CT and the only reason they cover the Coopers race is cause Smoke (T. Stew) is behind it.

Maybe the manufacturers should step up, right now is the perfect time. To put it in perspective Tell me what is the most popular racing these days? Its not road racing....

Too little too late for me, thats was just a band-aid to keep us from complaining. Jeff

There's no "band aids" to keep people from complaining.It's called companies wanting to promote their business.

But jeez guys and you wonder why most magazines hate talking to oval guys (on the forums, because in person everybody is a whole lot nicer and cooler) because anytime you put something in the magazine they cry and kick...There's an oval car on the cover and an 8 page review (and more in Driver) and what do you do....

Stop hitting snooze :)

Once again, thanks to the guys at the Southwest tour. I'm going to make it back down with my friends at AE for some more racing. I just got done racing the Reedy Race of Champions and I'm tired from 5 days of straight racing. When did this stuff become work?

man was i happy reading my X treme magazine! way to go with the oval coverage and the aggressor review! and most importantly you had fun racing! very cool

I race TC and Oval and was shocked when I saw the CW on the cover of XRC. XRC is the only mag. I subscribe to. ( mainly for Courtney Day.lol ) But they do a great job on most of there articles about TC's and other products (Chargers, ESC's , Batt. etc.and Courtney) Oval is like the red headed step kid most of the time. I think it is a fun class and normally the people are great. You guy's should check out FOCARS here in FLA. It is a great state series that is of the highest level. (www.focars.net) The people who run that series are good people and the competion is crazy. Just keep in mind when you are putting together a 8 page article on the mini mauler or some crap only a 8 year old kid cares about. There maybe something Oval related I could put here..

Just keep in mind when you are putting together a 8 page article on the mini mauler or some crap only a 8 year old kid cares about. There maybe something Oval related I could put here..


uh i'm thinking quote of the year! that focar dude is a crazy kat

Honestly, I'm glad to see that this thread got resparked. Thanks for the positive input and comments. It is good to see that something is happening which is more than I (as an oval racer) can say we ever got in the past.

erock1331, I understand your frustration about the lull in coverage but you have to realize that the drought that you spoke of was between paved nats and coopers for one simple reason, there wasn't any national events going on. As far as ROAR Nats, yes... something did come up. As far as Norrca and Arcor, the reason you haven't seen anyone at those races is the same as why you haven't seen certain cars in the mags... We just can't get them to respond to us. I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure others have gone through the same problem. I've emailed Norrca and Arcor numerous times asking for schedules, asking for info, asking for anything I can do to get them in the magazine. I got no responses what so ever. Even on this forum I've been quite pushy in trying to get Arcor to tell me ANY info and got nothing. This is extra suprising coming from you since I believe you are a Norrca official (I'm not sure but I thought I saw your name on there once). So in short, Arcor and Norrca can't blame anyone but themselves for not getting any coverage. I know we can't make everyone happy all the time, and I'm sorry but there's no way that can change I guess, we can just do what we can to keep someone happy.

As for covering races in CT, yes it helps that they are here, but anyone that knows anything about oval history can't tell me the Winterblast isn't important. Either way, could you imagine what it would cost us to go to every race around the country? It would be like going to Snowbirds every other week. LOL. Especially when a magazine has very little income coming in from that type of racing? My point since day one has been a very simple one... at least we're (oval guys and gals) getting something. As always we're open to hear about races people have going on as long as they understand that we can't cover everything. :thumbsup: Derek, good luck racing, its great to see you doing it when you get a chance... beat Michael at his own game! LOL! :wave:

Xtreme RC Cars put this issue out in just the nick of time. i had been thinking about not renewing my subscription but seeing a great artical in it about the CW agressor really gave me hope. i love readin about this car and hope the more in the future will be tested. so basicly thanks to Xtreme for giving us ovel guys somthing more to read about! :)

joe ivo

erock1331, I understand your frustration about the lull in coverage but you have to realize that the drought that you spoke of was between paved nats and coopers for one simple reason, there wasn't any national events going on. As far as ROAR Nats, yes... something did come up. As far as Norrca and Arcor, the reason you haven't seen anyone at those races is the same as why you haven't seen certain cars in the mags... We just can't get them to respond to us. I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure others have gone through the same problem. I've emailed Norrca and Arcor numerous times asking for schedules, asking for info, asking for anything I can do to get them in the magazine. I got no responses what so ever. Even on this forum I've been quite pushy in trying to get Arcor to tell me ANY info and got nothing. This is extra suprising coming from you since I believe you are a Norrca official (I'm not sure but I thought I saw your name on there once). So in short, Arcor and Norrca can't blame anyone but themselves for not getting any coverage. I know we can't make everyone happy all the time, and I'm sorry but there's no way that can change I guess, we can just do what we can to keep someone happy.

Please excuse me if this reply isn’t diplomatic, but I find it impossible to be diplomatic when I reply to pure adulterated, ambiguous, dubious, incomprehensible, line of male bovine excrement I have ever read!!! I cannot speak for NORRCA, but I can set the facts straight for ARCOR!


Before you sound off on a public board about anything, you should also be aware that those that you are debasing may also be reading the same material. In order to get your facts straight about ARCOR, you must also state the true facts. It seems however that you would rather post a string of boy cow poop in order to make yourself sound important, or to personally try to raise your self esteem.

Therefore, the post you made that ARCOR has not responded to you needs to be clearly rectified.

In reply to the above accusations, I would have needed to be contacted by you, to reply to you and you have NEVER, NOT ONCE, contacted me for any of the reasons you stated above. You have never requested a schedule, information about any race or results from any ARCOR race. If you had, I would have replied that day or with-in a few days.

I don’t know you, but I do know now, from your post, that your not as important as you would like us or yourself to think you are.

I wrote for magazines when you were no doubt just a twinkle in your parents eyes, for sure when you were still messing your diapers. To get my information, I went to races, I contacted manufactures, I interviewed racers. I went to them. I didn’t rely on the postal service to get my information. I used the telephone. If you are the big shot “reporter” you would like to think you are, you would do the same thing.

I will give you the benefit of doubt. You may have sent 1 (one) e-mail, that never reached me. From that you have based and exemplified the truth into a full blown line of CRAP!!!

Now, print that in your next “column”.

This is extra suprising coming from you since I believe you are a Norrca official (I'm not sure but I thought I saw your name on there once).


I was the Ohio ARCOR Director for about a year. No affiliation with Norrca other than being a member.

Even on this forum I've been quite pushy in trying to get Arcor to tell me ANY info and got nothing.

Did you ever think to post in the logical area? being the "ARCOR" section of the forums?

I did a search based off your user name and It would only let me view 100 of your 137 posts and none of them were under the ARCOR area.

JB is right...all you would have had to do was ask her via email or post in the ARCOR area and you would have gotten what you needed (race recaps, results, scheudles, etc). She is very thorough.

erock1331, I understand your frustration about the lull in coverage but you have to realize that the drought that you spoke of was between paved nats and coopers for one simple reason, there wasn't any national events going on. As far as ROAR Nats, yes... something did come up. As far as Norrca and Arcor, the reason you haven't seen anyone at those races is the same as why you haven't seen certain cars in the mags... We just can't get them to respond to us. I can only speak for myself, but I'm sure others have gone through the same problem. I've emailed Norrca and Arcor numerous times asking for schedules, asking for info, asking for anything I can do to get them in the magazine. I got no responses what so ever. Even on this forum I've been quite pushy in trying to get Arcor to tell me ANY info and got nothing. This is extra suprising coming from you since I believe you are a Norrca official (I'm not sure but I thought I saw your name on there once). So in short, Arcor and Norrca can't blame anyone but themselves for not getting any coverage. I know we can't make everyone happy all the time, and I'm sorry but there's no way that can change I guess, we can just do what we can to keep someone happy.

Please excuse me if this reply isn’t diplomatic, but I find it impossible to be diplomatic when I reply to pure adulterated, ambiguous, dubious, incomprehensible, line of male bovine excrement I have ever read!!! I cannot speak for NORRCA, but I can set the facts straight for ARCOR!


Before you sound off on a public board about anything, you should also be aware that those that you are debasing may also be reading the same material. In order to get your facts straight about ARCOR, you must also state the true facts. It seems however that you would rather post a string of boy cow poop in order to make yourself sound important, or to personally try to raise your self esteem.

Therefore, the post you made that ARCOR has not responded to you needs to be clearly rectified.

In reply to the above accusations, I would have needed to be contacted by you, to reply to you and you have NEVER, NOT ONCE, contacted me for any of the reasons you stated above. You have never requested a schedule, information about any race or results from any ARCOR race. If you had, I would have replied that day or with-in a few days.

I don’t know you, but I do know now, from your post, that your not as important as you would like us or yourself to think you are.

I wrote for magazines when you were no doubt just a twinkle in your parents eyes, for sure when you were still messing your diapers. To get my information, I went to races, I contacted manufactures, I interviewed racers. I went to them. I didn’t rely on the postal service to get my information. I used the telephone. If you are the big shot “reporter” you would like to think you are, you would do the same thing.

I will give you the benefit of doubt. You may have sent 1 (one) e-mail, that never reached me. From that you have based and exemplified the truth into a full blown line of CRAP!!!

Now, print that in your next “column”.






WOW!! Driver guy I would just cut my losses and move on. I don't think this thread is going to go the way you want it to. Typing more might do more harm than good at this point ......

Yikes, JB the correct way to respond to his email was simply to say you never received any request and actually supply the information that he claimed to have never goten. Your post to me was just as wrong as his.

JB: I think you did respond in the correct way. All he had to say was he never got any answer, not all the other trash. You do have a way with words :thumbsup:

I agree, but the same holds true for that reply.