Wholy crap.

So does anyone know, is EJO signed for a whole 2nd season?

I can't imagine how and what direction the show would take if he left.
A friend told me that he was never interest in doing a whole series.

That to me sounds like the statements of Mary McDonald. Which, since she is an added charactor (while great and interesting) the show can do without.

But the charactor of Adama is one of the foundations of the show.
Can you see Tigh in command? I can't, charactor or actor wise. Even though I think he's great a great Tigh.

And what about Boomer?

Thank goodness its restarting in July.

Yes indeed. Holy Crap and Jeezum Crow!

He's in bad shape but I'm sure he'll pull through. Waiting for July...

Yes, EJO is indeed signed on for at least a second season.

What about Boomer? WHICH Boomer!? :lol:

I just finished watching the finale.

w o w

I can't remember ever seeing any SciFi show pulling off what this one has done.
The final fifteen minutes wigged me out on so many levels!

This is the SciFi TV show that we should have had all along.

So I hope other TV people are paying attention!

Can't say anything because I don't want to blow it for anyone who hasn't seen it yet.
But "Aye Carumba!", that was the best I've seen in a long long time!

-Leelan

Ya, W O W. H O L Y C R A P ! ! !

What to say? They really piled up a whole lot of stuff right up to the wacked out end. Have ya ever noticed that for every pro-colonial thing Galactica Boomer does she also does kind of an equal and opposite pro-cylon thing - although I guess killing thousands of Cylons on the basestar is a bit un-equal to shooting the big guy. I couldn't help but recall the suprise from my childhood when JR was shot.

I'm guessing it's okay that I wrote that since the title of this thread sort of says "spoilers ahead", right?

John O.

Didn't see THAT coming!

I really thought the big reveal was going to be that Baltar was a Cylon, but now it looks like that was a red herring.

Was it? I'm not so sure.

John O.

Anythings possible after last night's episode, but I think they were hinting and leading up to his Cylon status to hit us with a bigger whammy. If Baltar is a Cylon the whole "father" plotline seems to not make much sense.

For a while I thought Starbuck was going to be the real Cylon, and Baltar the red herring. But since she passed her bloodtest....

Yeah, I did see the finale, and may I see:


DAMN! :eek:

DAMN!
















DAY-AMN!





Apart that cogent observation, I'd been thinking it was the President who would turn out to be a Cylon.

I was amazed, blown away and stunned. Its nice to see there are some who can right decent sci-fi, along with the SG shows.
Not much really surprises me on TV these days but last nights ending sure did. :thumbsup:

Apart that cogent observation, I'd been thinking it was the President who would turn out to be a Cylon.

Actually I always wondered if the chain smoking ships doctor wasn't a cylon the way he was encouraging the Prez to pray.

Then when 'whats his name' told the Prez that Adama was a Cylon, it hit me that this whole human looking thing happened must have happened AFTER the 40 year absence of the Cylons sooooo..........All cylons we have seen so far have been 20-somethings.
Give 10 to 20 years for the Cylons to advance to that technology level, and then 20 to 30 years for those 12 models to mature. I'd believe that it is unlikely that we'd see a Cylon much over 30.

What doesn't make sense is if the Cylons think mating with humans brings them closer to 'God', then why did they try to wipe the humans out?

What was the 'Bravehart' line from Longshanks, "If we can't push them out, we'll breed them out".

That whole end of things just doen't make any sense to me.

The other end is, that it is amazing that the cylons seem willing to sacrafice an entire base-star, when they probably could have stopped it.

In closing, All I have to say is......More naked Boomers.

CT- One of your assumptions is that Cylons age or have a growth rate similar to ours. I sort of doubt that. I will , however, heartily endorse "More Naked Boomers"!:p

Definately ...More Naked Boomers!!!

Wouldn't you like to have been a fly on the wall at that script meeting, "...and then walking forward from the shadows of the basestar are seventy naked Boomers..." 22 year old PA thinks to himself, "Dude, this is going to be so awesome!!!!".

John O.

... the lighting on that sequence was artfully disappointing.

That whole end of things just doen't make any sense to me.

In closing, All I have to say is......More naked Boomers.

One thing they're gonna have to provide an explanation for is why exactly the whole Boomer/Helo plot line was neccessary. Somehow I seriously doubt it was that hard to find guys to impregnate Boomer.

No naked Boomer today. Maybe naked Boomer tomorrow...?

:)

José

Naked Ivanova. Definitely naked Ivanova.

Nawwwww. I always thought she was a little bit manly ...maybe for one night ...never mind. More Naked Boomer...

John O.

She's in the gallery of Maximonline.com by the way. Here is the link (its really there):

http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/html/girl_1108.html (http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/html/girl_1108.html)

Nice boomers.

So say we all! ;)

Huzz

Dave Hussey, this 22 year old thanks you from the bottom of his heart for that link! :p

Dan

Whoa mama! :eek:

Yeah, thanks for the link, Dave! :thumbsup:

There are plenty of photos out there that show Claudia Christian is NOT manly! I wouldn't link 'em here, though. HOT-cha!

One thing they're gonna have to provide an explanation for is why exactly the whole Boomer/Helo plot line was neccessary. Somehow I seriously doubt it was that hard to find guys to impregnate Boomer.

Ok, my prediction is this......
Starbucks Cylon Raider MAY be big enough for her and Helo, but he wouldn't let Starbuck shoot Boomer because she's pregnant.
So I'm willing to bet that he won't want to leave without her so.......

He'll either stay on Caprica or........(I'm betting on the next one....)

The cylon raider will be somehow trashed on the ground and the 3 of them have to find other means of the planet. Because.....obviously its more dramatic and, they bring Boomer back to the fleet to study her.

Otherwise there isn't much more Grace Park can do on the show.
Boomer #1 might as well get capped and shoved out an airlock.
#2 Now knowing that Boomer is a cylon they'll circulate her picture around the fleet so there MAY be another one out there still. And thats about it.

And now seeing those MAXIM pics, They better find a way to keep Grace Park on the show for quite a while.
BTW: What issue was that from? I may have to go pick it up.

There are plenty of photos out there that show Claudia Christian is NOT manly! I wouldn't link 'em here, though. HOT-cha!
Oh, Hell yeah! I recall pics from some movie she was in where there's what appears to be this dream sequence w/her on this bed in the middle of a field, wearing pretty much just a smile.

Claudia did a Playboy spread also, and her album cover isn't exactly demure! She calls herself a champion of "natural-breasted women." :)

She calls herself a champion of "natural-breasted women."

What a coincidence, so am I !!!

John O.

She calls herself a champion of "natural-breasted women."

What a coincidence, so am I !!!

John O.

Add me to that list. Thumbs down on artificial enhancement! Gwen Stephani rules! But then, so does Salma Hyak.

Gwen Stephani rules! But then, so does Salma Hyak.

There ya go. While I'm a "champion" (as per above), I'm really a total package kinda guy. Every woman has something to recommend her and even Boomer, to bring this back on topic, really doesn't have stunning ta-tas - her sexiness is more how she carries herself, her confidence in her assetts, and that bright smile. Frankly, major mellons are over-rated especially if everything else doesn't work.

John O.

Hmmm.... Salma Hayek... :drool:

Claudia Christian is not manly or demure. She's hot. Too bad she plays for the other team. As to who's hotter, Boomer or CC, why debate?

Back to topic: Do you guys get the feeling like the Cylons have been in control over this whole thing? I sort of get the picture of a cat playing with its prey. Because of Boomer #1, they've known where the fleet's been this whole time. The Six/Baltar baby sequence implies the Cylons will ultimately use the humans for their own purposes. It's "convenient" that Boomer's been the one to find the three main resources the Colonials have been after (water, fuel and Kobol). Meanwhile, the Colonials have been fighting amongst themselves, too disorganized to be an effective force.

José

Do you guys get the feeling like the Cylons have been in control over this whole thing? I sort of get the picture of a cat playing with its prey.Most definately. I especially felt in the last episode that all along the Colonials were being driven towards something by the Cylons - something important enough to sacrafice a whole Basestar (full of naked Boomers) and give away an opportunity to catch the fleet.

But they haven't made it easy for the Colonials either. Was it to con them that the direction they were being driven in was of their own choosing? Was it a series of tests?

Then there is the whole 6/Boomer pregnancy thing: pregnant with what?!?! ...and what if maybe Starbuck is pregnant too????

I think the Caprica part of the saga is about over. IMHO it was there to provide Boomer character development as "the flawed model", allow Galactica Boomer to do her unwitting dirtiest, get killed, and still give us a spare Boomer we already know who in some way will be protected by Carl/Halo due to her pregnancy. The Arrow was simply a device to get Caprica Boomer and Halo back to Galactica, and though we didn't know it, I think the captured Raider was a device planned all along to re-united the isolated characters since it can make the jump back to Caprica.

Did anyone else wonder about Col Tigh's wife and how she might be connected to Boomer shooting The Old Man? Wasn't she hinting to Tigh about an upward career move? If she ain't a Cylon she ought to be.

John O.

Well, it seems to me the most obvious cliff-hanger is the easiest one to solve -- Adama will survive. In retrospect, the thing I find most intriguing was Adama's attempted military coup. It had the appearance of a very badly miscalculated, ham-handed decision on his part.

Maybe that is how Sharon got to be called "Boomer." "Oh, that's right; I was supposed to shake, not shoot! My bad! I am constantly getting those confused! Silly me!"

Qapla'

SSB

Maybe that is how Sharon got to be called "Boomer." "Oh, that's right; I was supposed to shake, not shoot! My bad! I am constantly getting those confused! Silly me!"

Qapla'

SSB

Saying that with those MAXIM pics in head.

Adama will survive.Ya but then Tigh will be driving the boat while Adama is recovering (and what will Tigh do with Rosalin?). Everything to a point has a price or consequence on this show. Yes Adama and all of the lead characters kinda have to survive, it's a series after all - yet their actions on each other seem to have some lasting effects.

John O.

Six has turned out to be a very intriguing character. Actually, the whole series has defied most of my expectations.

José

Six has turned out to be a very intriguing character. Actually, the whole series has defied most of my expectations.

José

I'm in the same boat as you. When the mini-series first aired, my friend Chris started babbling about how awesome the new BSG is, and how I absolutely HAVE to watch it sometime. I thought, "Yeah yeah, whatever, I'll get around to it." I mean, this is the guy who gets excited anytime something new comes along, regardless of quality. Finally, about a week before the new show started airing in Great Britain, I sat down and watched the mini-series, and was absolutely blown away! I thought it was pretty good, and as I watched the series, it just kept getting better and better! Maybe I should listen to my friend more often; after all, he is the one who introduced me to Babylon 5 as well... hmm...

I just wish he'd listen to me, too... I'm trying to get him to watch Lost, but so far, no success... Now I know how frustrating I must have been to him! :lol:

Dan

I'm trying to get him to watch Lost, but so far, no success... Now I know how frustrating I must have been to him! Yeah, my brother loves Lost and has been watching it from the get-go, but I think the only way I can convince him to watch Alias is at gunpoint. What is really strange is that he has watched an episode or three this season and always has loads of questions for me the next day -- he is obviously intrigued, but I cannot get him to take the next step. And I have all three previous seasons on DVD, which I would be glad to loan to him ...

Qapla'

SSB

Ya but then Tigh will be driving the boat while Adama is recovering (and what will Tigh do with Rosalin?).Oh, of course that's true -- I just meant that I'm not really wondering whether Adama will survive. And will Baltar assume the leadership role as long as Roslin is up the river? Whatever is going on on Kobol with Baltar and Six, one thing is obvious -- Baltar is one mixed-up cowboy.

Qapla'

SSB

Yeah, my brother loves Lost and has been watching it from the get-go, but I think the only way I can convince him to watch Alias is at gunpoint. What is really strange is that he has watched an episode or three this season and always has loads of questions for me the next day -- he is obviously intrigued, but I cannot get him to take the next step. And I have all three previous seasons on DVD, which I would be glad to loan to him ...

Qapla'

SSB


LOL, yeah, I really want to watch Alias now, but for me it's just a matter of finding the time to do so. Also, the funds with which to buy the DVD box sets would be nice, too! :lol:

Dan

Can't help but think that Baltar is a Cylon. I don't believe he survived that nuclear blast in the mini-series and it would also explain how the cylon girl is in his head all the time.

Hmmm.... Salma Hayek... :drool:

Claudia Christian is not manly or demure. She's hot. Too bad she plays for the other team. As to who's hotter, Boomer or CC, why debate?
<SNIP!>

José

Actually, Senor El Gato, IMDB has her married to a Gary DeVore. She and Andrea Thompson had a ball with the whole lesbian thing, according to an interview I looked up here (http://www.dykesvision.com/en/interviews/lesbian-babylon5.html).

So, guys, Claudia's back in the game again! I can't believe she is three years older than me! I thought we were the same age!

Can't help but think that Baltar is a Cylon. I don't believe he survived that nuclear blast in the mini-series and it would also explain how the cylon girl is in his head all the time.
That wasn't a nuclear "blast", it was a pressure wave - a wall of air and debris pushed out from the blast zone at ludicrious speed. If he'd been in the blast zone, all we'd have seen was a bright flash of light instead of a wall of "junk" moving towards his home, hitting and then blowing in the windows. Most likely, the Nuke popped a couple of miles away (maybe five?) and was a high yield unit. I've got to watch the mini again, tho, as I can't recall if we even saw a flash of light prior to the several seconds worth of pressure wave heading at Baltar's home.

as I can't recall if we even saw a flash of light prior to the several seconds worth of pressure wave heading at Baltar's home.Yup, there was a bright flash, it momentarily blinded Baltar. The thing is, 6 tells him to get down and she blocks him from the debris. Now I'm not saying that doesn't make him a Cylon, but she did sacrifice herself. We know the "human form" Cylon models come with wildly different internal architecture (personalities), who's to say Baltar isn't the only model for which there is just one copy.

It also seems to me that the Cylons are running a set of experiments on themselves and on the humans to get at the essential nature of conscious life and the nature of God. A single Baltar model might fit their experimentation by examining "fear of death" as Sharon/Boomer seems to examine the same fear from a different angle "fear of causing harm".

Just a thought.

John O.

I'm not at all convinced that the Six we saw shield Baltar's body "sacrificed" herself by dying. That wasn't a blast wave 'cause we'd have seen only a flash of light and that'd have been it, not pressure wave we see coming at the windows.

Dang it all. I'm gonna have to go buy the Mini on DVD now, aren't I...? ;)

Griff, don't worry, I watched the DVD saturday night. There isn't any conclusive evidence one way or another that 6 was killed in that blast wave. However, Best Buy had the DVD for 22$ AND my wife bought it! It was fun to go back and see the beginning. I also listened to Moores commentary. The clothes and language are all designed so that we feel a connection to these people, that they are us in a way. I remember people whining about "Hey Look! They got suits and ties and say phrases JUST LIKE US!" Geez!

For those who recall these things better, how many models were there and how many did we see at the end of the mini? I want to say there's a discrepancy, meaning there's a model out there we haven't seen.

José

Jose, there are several models we haven't seen...Yet, or have we? ;)
BTW, got the Hey Mansquito clip digitized but it needs work!

José,

If I remember correctly, there are 12 models and we've seen 4 confirmed IIRC. I'm kind of hoping/betting that Tigh's wife is not a Cylon, just an incredible bitch who will get what's coming to her at some point.

Whatever happened to the mystery notes that Adama was getting about the Cylons? That hasn't really continued, has it?

John O.

There are several models out there that we've not seen. The note said that there are 12 Cylon Models, right? If we take it to be a literal 12 models that are currently in-service, that gives us:

4 Human-form Cylons (Six, Aaron Doral, Leoben Conoy, Sharon Valari)
1 Robotic-form Cylon
1 Standard Raider
1 Heavy Raider (identified per Moores commentary in a pod-cast - I'm somewhat reaching here, tho)
1 Basestar (I might be reaching, but there was a LOT of organic material inside that thing)


That gives us eight that we've seen and are familiar with so far if you accept the Heavy Raider as a sentient being like the Robotic-form Cylons. That means there are at least four left unaccounted for.

On a semi-related note, someone at Starship Modeler's BSG forum made an interesting observation during "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part Two". During the scene in the last couple of minutes of the episode, Boomer and Racetrack walk in to the CIC after blowing up the Cylon Basestar. Gaeta walks up to Boomer and shakes her hand. As that handshake is going on, the camera dips surripetously (sp) towards their hands, which are blocked by Boomer's body. There's very little that goes on in the way of camera shots that isn't done on purpose. Anybody care to join in some speculation what might have occured during the "handshake"?

If not, don't read on....




The thinking that I agree with is: Boomer and Racetrack were likely quickly escorted to "Life Support" (following the current US military protocols and standards here) and gave over their lifesupport gear, to include sidearm. It appears that at least Racetrack has no weapon in her holster as she and Boomer walk directly in to CIC, but it's hard to make out in Boomer's case. Now, if they were both unarmed when they left the flight deck, where did the pistol that Boomer shot Adama come from...? It appears to me that - as originally pointed out by someone else - Gaeta gives Boomer something during that handshake. Check out the expression on her face as it happens and think on it some....

I think the camera shot was deliberate and had a purpose. The purpose was to get people talking. That worked. Gaeta isn't a Cylon.

When 6 says there are 12 Cylon models, I assumed she meant humanoid. Who says the Cylons aren't capable of producing new models, see ep 13, in the chamber. I would imagine the reference to 12 models as being obsolete, regardless of form.