http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/03/22/film.church.reut/index.html

I loved that Guy (Hayden -Church) on the NBC series "Wings" Funny as hell! I bet he's gonna be Venom. Bummer I Was Countin' on the Lizard! I mean they even had Dr. Conners in a cameo in the last one. Although they could go the route the "Batman Forever" People did If You recall they had Billy Dee Williams as "Harvey Dent" the Man who Would Become "Two-Face" ,Then When Two Face Becomes the Featured Villian Suddenly he's Portrayed by Tommy Lee Jones! Huh!? So Maybe there's still hope. I kinda Know who Venom is (I even have a Kit of him) But Although he looks cool Venom and his Pal Canage are IMHO the NEW Generation of Villians and I hadn't really been following Comics at the Time These Guys started (well Besides the Freak Brothers, Cherry Poptart etc LOL) so I was kinda liking the way the Spiderman Films were Featuring Badguys Older Geeks like myself Knew about!!lol Doc Ock was my Fave of the Two BUT The Lizard reminds me of the old John Agar Film "The Alligator People" lol
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CNN article:
Thomas Haden Church will be a fantastic and challenging new nemesis.

The filmmakers are not revealing the identity of the new villain.

So, they're inventing a new villain?

It could be interpreted that way.

This is verrry interesting casting even though his role has not been disclosed.

Last week, there was a story where it looked like Chloe Sevigny had let it slip that the script required a blonde ACTRESS to play the villain i.e. Black Cat.

Church is mostly a comic actor (Sideways included IMO).
This might not mean anything but perhaps whichever Spidey villain was funniest?

Joblo.com sez Venom & Man-Wolf ????

I'm really, really not a fan of seemingly frontrunner villain Venom.

I like some of more unusual guesses like Mysterio and Sandman.
Why not Electro? He was the villain, however watered down, in Cameron's treatment.

You should check out the movie The Specials (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181836/combined). Church plays The Strobe, the leader of the world's 7th greatest superhero team. Probably the only superhero movie with no absolutely no superhero action.

I thought I had read somewhere the Lizard was going to be in the next one....

... just about any truly good comic actor can do drama equally well. It's all human behavior. Prior to "Spider-Man II" I had seen Alfred Molina in primarily "comic" roles. "Boogie Nights" may technically be considered a drama but Molina's 10 minute tour-de-force as Rahad Jackson is one of the funniest performances I have ever seen. All of these villains are larger than life and the roles require a certain panache'. Church has got that ability. And I'm betting a dollar he will be The Lizard.

I am also in favor of a traditional Spidey villain. I think that using Doc Ock was part of the charm and success of Spiderman II. I always felt Spidey had the best Marvel villains anyway. I know the suits have to sell tickets, so the most commercially marketable characters will be decided upon.

Being selfish, I'd love to see The Sandman, Kraven, Mysterio, The Scorpion, Electro, The Rhino or The Shocker. I'm sure I'm missing some favorites.

Of course, Freddie Mercury isn't around to play Kraven, but what the heck.

Prior to "Spider-Man II" I had seen Alfred Molina in primarily "comic" roles. "Boogie Nights" may technically be considered a drama but Molina's 10 minute tour-de-force as Rahad Jackson is one of the funniest performances I have ever seen.

That is an amazing scene, funny as hell but absolutely harrowing at the same time. And the "mix tape #1" seque into "Jesses Girl" was absolutely brilliant. Mark Wahlberg hasn't done much since worth watching, but he nailed that scene perfectly, without saying a word he's uncanny conveying a guy who knows he's f-ing up bad but is powerless to stop it.

In my youth I saw the wrong side of enough sunrises to relate.

Interesting, almost nobody from "Boogie Nights" has done anything near as good since, with the exception of Don Cheadle & John C Reilly. Wahlberg, Burt Reynolds, Heather Graham, Thomas Jane, etcs stuff since then has been pretty disapointing since.

The powers that be are keeping the villian's identity a surprise?

Oh oh.

The only reason they'd do that is if the villian were a "new" one, some character they've invented.

Doggy not like.

Stick with the tried and true. Part of the fun of these big summer/comic book movies is the announcement ahead of time as to what big/cool star is going to play the bad guy: Nicholson is the Joker. Arnold is Mr. Freeze, Willem Dafoe is Green Goblin. Thom Church is.....some guy we made up?

Nope. Either he's gonna play a real villian from the comics and for some reason they don't want to tell us. Or this series is about to get lame.

Why would Church be Lizard when the other guy was ALREADY cast as Doc Conners?

Why would Church be Lizard when the other guy was ALREADY cast as Doc Conners?

Yes, the same actor must play the same character in every movie of a superhero movie series. Man, did Michael Keaton suck in "Batman and Robin" or what?

Well he's too scrawney to be Rhino, which is my personal fav, maybe Scorpion, Venom, Carnage or the Lizard. The Liz sounds like he'd be a little too obscure.

Say - didn't Spidey tangle with Ponc Deleon one time??

The Lizard "too obscure"?!? Man, I can't think of a year of one of the Spidey titles that DIDN'T have at least one Lizard story in them or at least a strong appearance of Dr. Connors.

Harry Osbourne is still out there hating Spidey's guts. Maybe he'll become The Hobgoblin. It would be nice if the series ran long enough to introduce the alien suit and then Venom and maybe even the clone storyline.

Well, last time I read anything on the subject (which was in the wake of the first film), Raimi couldn't understand why so many people seemed to want to see Venom in one of the films. I'm not saying that he "didn't get it" -- it seemed more of an honest difference of opinion. IIRC, he knew Venom could be a visually impressive villain, but didn't think that was enough to make him a viable choice.

They set up Jameson's son as an astronaut in the second film, so that could be a route to having Venom make an appearance if you stick with the black suit being the source of the character. But it seems a bit unwieldy for the third film. It also doesn't seem to fit with the movies as we've seen them to bring in weird alien technology. There are certainly other, more terrestrial methods to generate the suit, of course. But to me, it would make more sense dramtically to introduce the suit in the third film, however it comes into the story. Have Spidey wear the suit awhile, discover it isn't exactly what he thought, and then ditch it -- and maybe as the movie ends we see the suit fall into the wrong hands -- then Venom comes in for the fourth film.

But I'm not dead set on Venom or any particular villain showing up. Just as long as they keep the drama going in a level similar to what we've already seen, I'll be happy whoever they bring in. The Lizard seems a good choice as well. We heard of Conners in the first film and saw him in the second -- and we saw that seems to like and care about Peter Parker to some extent, which lays the ground work for the drama. So who knows?

I don't buy the logic behind saying that not announcing the villain means it will be a newly-created character. It could be so, but another possibility is that it could be an obscure villain -- which was pretty much the status of The Riddler until he was all but resurrected for the Batman TV series. He had only appeared two or three times in the comics prior to that, and the last time had been several years earlier, IIRC.

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John Jameson - Jonas astronaut son - becomes the Man-Wolf in the comics after picking up a funky Moon Rock while on his first mission. so, if they stick to Spidey continuity, he can't become Venom. ;)

Harry Osbourne is still out there hating Spidey's guts. Maybe he'll become The Hobgoblin. It would be nice if the series ran long enough to introduce the alien suit and then Venom and maybe even the clone storyline.

I was going to say exactly what sbaxter stated, but he saved me the bandwidth.

Griff brought up something really, really viable -the Hobgoblin (Church) and mix in son of Goblin (Harry). Two villians in the third round ala Poison Ivy, Riddler and Mr. Freeze...

... too many villians makes for a messy, watered-down script IMHO. Half of what killed the Batman franchise last time around was the trend toward adding ever more characters in each subsequent installment. It kept the merchandizers happy but made hash of the story-lines. I hope the Spider-Man franchise doesn't fall into the same trap.

John Jameson - Jonas astronaut son - becomes the Man-Wolf in the comics after picking up a funky Moon Rock while on his first mission. so, if they stick to Spidey continuity, he can't become Venom. ;)
Right -- what I was getting at is that, as an astronaut, he could provide an already established source for the suit critter to make it to earth. Didn't mean to suggest that he would also become Venom.

But I suspect that if we do see the black suit/Venom, they will be given a different, non-alien origin.

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SSB

Prior to Spidey 2 coming out, I whipped up a story that involved the simultaneous creation of Doc Ock and Venom, but leaving the majority of the Venom story for a third film.

When I get home, I'll post it.

A Lizard/Morbius combo would be cool with the storyline having Spidey grow the extra arms.

Oooh! And with a brief cameo by the FF! :thumbsup:

Astronaut Jameson first came back from space as a 'energy being'. Then it was rewritten that he came back as a wolfman, then it was rewritten that he came back with the Venom suit. RETroactive CONtinuity. Retcon.

Huh...? :confused:

This is verrry interesting casting even though his role has not been disclosed.

Last week, there was a story where it looked like Chloe Sevigny had let it slip that the script required a blonde ACTRESS to play the villain i.e. Black Cat.

Church is mostly a comic actor (Sideways included IMO).
This might not mean anything but perhaps whichever Spidey villain was funniest?

Joblo.com sez Venom & Man-Wolf ????

I'm really, really not a fan of seemingly frontrunner villain Venom.

I like some of more unusual guesses like Mysterio and Sandman.
Why not Electro? He was the villain, however watered down, in Cameron's treatment.

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Astronaut Jameson first came back from space as a 'energy being'. Then it was rewritten that he came back as a wolfman, then it was rewritten that he came back with the Venom suit. RETroactive CONtinuity. Retcon. Nowhere is comics is mentioned about him becoming an energy being...I think you have that one wrong...

http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/manwolf.html

I've got the comic. It had that Marvel 'black lightning' that they loved to use back then. I don't have it in front of me but I remember it, and at the time it was the first mention of JJJs son. I thought 'where did he come from?' Spidey tries to help him and JJ says its all his fault.

( did you see the news story of the murderer hiding out as a poet called JJ Jameson? )

edit;
here's another version

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/jamesonjohn.htm

http://www.spidervillain.com/Cast/JohnJameson/JohnJameson.html

IIRC, Black Lightning was an obscure black (as in "man of color") Marvel character. Unlike the very kewel Luke Cage, BL never really developed much of a personality, nor following. Or am I thinking of something similar in the DC lineup?

Regardless, I've never heard of John Jameson being an energy being, with his only known "change" being as the Man-Wolf. I'm pretty certain that there've been a few other Spidey background characters who've gone the super-Being route more than once, tho. Can't recall anyone right off the top of my head, but want to say that Flash Thompson had two different "super powers" of some sort. I forget the first, but the second was as The Torpedo - and he died at the hands of the Wraith in that "Rom - Space Knight" related story line.

IIRC, Black Lightning was an obscure black (as in "man of color") Marvel character. Unlike the very kewel Luke Cage, BL never really developed much of a personality, nor following. Or am I thinking of something similar in the DC lineup?I believe Black Lightning was, in fact, a DC character who operated in Gotham City. If memory serves, he's the character who had a medium-length afro as a part of the mask he wore. Always got a kick out of that.

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SSB

John Jameson first appeared in Amazing Spider-Man #42. He returns to earth affected by some kind of radiation that makes him super strong. The cover shows Spidey fighting him, Jameson is wearing an astronaut suit and looks real big and strong. The story with the moonstone grafted to his throat that turns him into Man-Wolf came several years later in the 70s.

I don't see Venom showing up in 3; besides, there is a classic Spidey villian that can do pretty much the same thing Venam can do effects-wise: Sandman. The guys on S3 said they wanted to show something new, so it sounds like Sandman. The villians in the first 2 movies had technology-aided powers (Goblin with the suit/flier, Ock with the arms) so they will probably go in a different direction. I just hope Raimi doesn't give in to fan-demand and put Venom in there, because he does a much better job bringing back the classic characters and giving them a real depth.

RHINO any body ??? :thumbsup:

What about DR. SMYTH(is that right?) and the spider slayer robots.

I don't see Venom showing up in 3; besides, there is a classic Spidey villian that can do pretty much the same thing Venam can do effects-wise: Sandman. The guys on S3 said they wanted to show something new, so it sounds like Sandman. The villians in the first 2 movies had technology-aided powers (Goblin with the suit/flier, Ock with the arms) so they will probably go in a different direction. I just hope Raimi doesn't give in to fan-demand and put Venom in there, because he does a much better job bringing back the classic characters and giving them a real depth.
Green Goblins suit didn't do a thing for him, far as I can recall from the comics. Definitely did nothing more for him than act as a flight suit in the movie - prolly fire retardent and offered a degree of ballistic protection. It didn't give him super strength or agility, tho. Those came from the "performance enhancers" that drove Osbourne insane.

What? No Electro or Mystero?

Just been confirmed by Aint it cool news that Church is indeed playing the Sandman...

Just been confirmed by Aint it cool news that Church is indeed playing the Sandman...

I don't know about "confirmed". Likely, maybe?

http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/secretdisplay.cgi?id=19747

Multiple spies at Sony have confirmed that Thomas Hayden Church will indeed be playing SANDMAN. There's a ton of Sandman conceptual art at Marvel...Sounds like confirmed to me..

Sandman never seemed plausible to me. He turns to sand, so how does he move? He should be a big pile of sand on the ground. Maybe it's 'magic' sand.

Sandman never seemed plausible to me. He turns to sand, so how does he move? He should be a big pile of sand on the ground. Maybe it's 'magic' sand.



So how would you account for the Aquatic thing in the movie Abyss?

... plausible!?

I'm still betting that they're going to do something with Harry Osborn. It seems "fitting" that they'd close the trilogy with that, especially since Dunst has said that she'll only do one more Spidey movie (please God let that be so).

José

I'm still betting that they're going to do something with Harry Osborn. It seems "fitting" that they'd close the trilogy with that, especially since Dunst has said that she'll only do one more Spidey movie (please God let that be so).

José


Amen Amigo, I just HOPE she Spends the ENTIRE Film out in the Rain! :devil:

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