http://www.iroaronline.org/results/vinton/20042005/Mains%2003-20-2005.htm
look at all the brushless at iroar race!

To everyone that has read the complaining of a few I asure you that this will be a top notch race and will be one of the best National Championships that has been ran. I hope everyone will see that the host track is trying to follow ROAR rules as closely as possible. I know in the past some places haven't done this but this is the way this Nats will be ran. You can download the ROAR rule book as well as the National Guidelines at www.roarracing.com. I am sorry if this upsets some of you and I apologize for that.





Remember that you can send your questions, comments, and proposials to all the members of the ROAR Excomm. Their address are also available the roar website.



Brian

Why isn't some one from ROAR helping out with the brushless problem? There are three threads with this "debate" and not a word of help from ROAR. Brian, who is a local guy, is trying to help but isn't getting anywhere. I think this looks bad for ROAR. Just my .02 Thank you Brian for trying to help. I guess I knew it was a loosing battle.

I thought Kenny B would have helped the ROAR/Brushless casue out, check the poll above he is on there as running brushless. Hmm wierd

If you entered brushless you will be given a refund. Out of all the pre entries there were only 3 for brushless. With only 3 pre entries this does not justify having a separate class.

Brian

I will try and get a list of all entrants and what class later this week when I stop in at Halo. As it is now this is a list of the classes with the most entrants in them, starting with the msot:

10th stock
10th mod
12th mod
10th 19t
12th 19t
12th stock

has Josh determined which motor for the handout?

has Josh determined which motor for the handout?

We are still waiting for confirmation from motor suppliers on the handout motor and the motor will be announced 2 weeks prior to the event.

Why isn't some one from ROAR helping out with the brushless problem? .........

I don't hang out here much. This is the first I'm reading of this. No-one has contacted me to helpout or clarify. I will inquire into a few things and see what I findout.

If anyone has questions about ROAR and/or brushless rules, contact me at jkohan@columbus.rr.com . I always answer emails, but I don't always read every thread on every forum.

John Kohan
Region 5 Director

Just thought I would paste this onto this thread

Per Josh Cyrul:
Hey Guys,

I'll get class counts up hopefully tonight. I've just had a lot to catch up on with the baby arriving and all.

In reguards to the rules, late fees and all other complaints I've seen while reading thought here I would like everyone to understand something about my thinking for this event. I've always had a bit of a problem with a lot of the rules and regulations in all the sanctioning bodies and as a racer I have tried to voice my opinion in a constructive way. Unfortunetly, as the few of us speak up and get labeled the "spoiled pros" then nothing is resolved as our opinion is usually cast aside. This race, along with any other sanctioned event will be run to the best of our knowledge and ability to the rules that the sanctioning body had provided. This is the best and only way to put the racers and the sanctioning body into position to recognise the problems and stipulations and do something about them. Having the host track make deviations every year means different rules, different situations and leaves the host track and racers with a sour taste in their mouth as they never know what they are up against. Eventually, enough sour tastes and you stop taking a bite at attending these events that are ment to be the most prestiegious racing events we have.

You guys would like to run brushless that isn't mixed with Mod - take it to your ROAR rep. as we have listed the 6 classes and so far I have not been given the OK to add a 7th to make brushless. I already have entries for ALL classes that were on the entry form so I won't drop a class as I don't think that's fair to the people who have signed up on time and choose their class.

Now, as far as the late fee. As the host track I have to take care of so many things before the event and if a late fee is waved I may have a bunch of you guys who show up at the event which leaves us high and dry as far as enough stock motors, trophies, shirts, pit area, etc.... This is a part of the ROAR rules that we are following to try and make this the best event we possibly can.

I've already spoken to the people at Car Action and they are sending someone out to cover the event and we are looking into getting the local News out to cover the event as well.

We will be re-painting the perimiter boards for the event as well as possibly making some minor adjustments to the ice as we have had a few complaints about that. The run line will not change though. We will be doing additional work to the facility itself to finish things up and make it one of the best Nats in both facility and organization.

We are also flying up Mr. Kenny Holmes to be the race director and MC for the weekend.

Currently the event count is up around 55-60 and like I said, I will try to get class counts up asap. Please get your entries in so I can make the proper provisions for a quality event.

By the way...

Who's going to win??

1/12 stock - ??
1/12 19T - ??
1/12 Mod - ??
1/10 stock - ??
1/10 19T - ??
1/10 Mod - ??

Thanks for the post Josh....you and I will talk on thrusday to finalize everythign. We as ROAR are straightening out he brushless issues. Your oval committee has requested and obtained a deviation from the rules that brushless and brushed be combined. For OVAL events the two motor types are to be run in separate classes NO mixing of brushed with brushless. This information was provided to Brian Anthony who was talkng wiht Josh for me as I understood Josh was busy with the newborn.

Josh and I will talk and determine if a separate class should be offered.

I personally commend Josh for sticking to the rules and guidelines presented to date. And thank you to the early registrations and hoepfully we can get the brushless issue resolved tomorrow from ROAR's end and to the satisfaction of Josh and his staff.

THIS RACE WILL NOT BE A REPEAT OF THE ONROAD NATS. Just be looking at the personal efforts by Josh and his staff, Scarecrow being the race director, and that there will be three ROAR reps (myself, David Lee, and John Kohan (region 5 director))at the event. Ths will be smooth!

I hope to see everyone there....and don't be afraid to come up and introduce yourself to me...ask anyone who has talked to me...I don't turn anyone away and you know my heart is in oval and moving it forwards. So if oyu want to race...get registered and show support.

Kenny B
ROAR ExComm
Track Director

Kenny please check your e-mail and edit the above accordingly.

Brian

Got and replied! Thanks for the help!

Kenny B

Brian sent me an e-mail on my above post. To clarify the host track (Josh) nor Brian asked for the devaition to separate the motors. IT clearly states the deviation came from with in the ROAR Oval committee and was approved last week. So we (ROAR and Josh/Brian ) will resolve the brushless class.

Kenny B

For those of you that have not seen or visited the ROAR webpage this week they have put online the rule deviations for oval. They are as follows and are direct cut and paste.


CARPET OVAL NATIONALS (ONLY)
The following deviations that came as requests from the Oval Rules Committee and were approved by majority votes of the ExCom.

Brushless and Open Modified:
We are modifying the position of brushless in open modified for the 2005 Oval Nationals only. Brushless will be run as a separate class and will not be included in open modified for oval racing.

Body trimming:
A deviation has been approved to resolve a conflict in the rule book for oval bodies. The body rule (6.1.15) requires the body to be cut at the molded trim line and a minimum body height as shown on rule 8.9.8. We typically have enforced the ride height as the trim line would usually make the body stick way up in the air. For the 2005 Oval Nationals the minimum ride height "C" will be the governing dimension.

1/12 scale NASCAR bodies:
A deviation request was approved for 1/12th scale NASCAR bodies. The approved 1/12th scale NASCAR bodies for oval are not available (Bolink is out of business and Proline/Protoform 1/12 NASCAR bodies will not be made anymore). Because of this, the 1/12th scale class will be allowed to run what ever 1/12th scale body they can find to run. Supplies are very limited at best. The deviation request is to not require the use of an approved 1/12th scale oval body due to availability concerns of the effected drivers

Body trimming:
For the 2005 Oval Nationals the minimum ride height "C" will be the governing dimension.

Just to clairfy
Rule "C" is the normal height of 4.25"

Just to clairfy
Rule "C" is the normal height of 4.25"

In the back of the rule book Appendix-B-Diagrams they have a picture with letter corresponding to demensions. Just to let you all know where it is as in the rule book but hey, guess what the only place foam tire height is mentioned is in Appendix A. So go figure. For 10th oval it is 4.25" and for 12th oval it is 3.375" as that is for foam tires.

Brian, you have a PM.

Brian, you have a PM.

David, so do you.

Just to let everyone know that there WILL BE a Brushless class at Nats and it will be the Novak 4300 motor ONLY. And no other brushless will be ran except for that class. Thanks and see you guys at the race.

Brian

You can run stock and 19t. You can also run any combination and still run brushless 4300 with a maximum of 3 classes.

Brian

Brian, you have another PM.

Brian, you have another PM.

David call Halo Hobbies and ask for Josh. The number is 419-693-0253.

Brian, please call me to explain. 317-859-0596 Or, send email to leeda@tqci.net

1/12 scale NASCAR bodies:
A deviation request was approved for 1/12th scale NASCAR bodies. The approved 1/12th scale NASCAR bodies for oval are not available (Bolink is out of business and Proline/Protoform 1/12 NASCAR bodies will not be made anymore). Because of this, the 1/12th scale class will be allowed to run what ever 1/12th scale body they can find to run. Supplies are very limited at best. The deviation request is to not require the use of an approved 1/12th scale oval body due to availability concerns of the effected drivers

Please make sure everybody understands that this means you run any available 1/12th scale NASCAR style body (approved or unapproved). This does not allow the use of any other style bodies (GTP, touring cars, etc.). This is an oval event based upon NASCAR style bodies for all classes.

Thanks!

Kenny B
ROAR ExComm

In the back of the rule book Appendix-B-Diagrams they have a picture with letter corresponding to demensions. Just to let you all know where it is as in the rule book but hey, guess what the only place foam tire height is mentioned is in Appendix A. So go figure. For 10th oval it is 4.25" and for 12th oval it is 3.375" as that is for foam tires.

So everybody has the reight reference, the references above are from the 2004 rule book. The current 2005 rule book (blue ROAR on cover) does not have appendices. The specific dimensions shown are correct and are reflected on pages 51 and 52.

Thanks for helping getting the dimensions out there Xpressman!

Any and all body manufacturers wanting a 1/12th scale body best get in so we can run approved bodies next year. Thanks!

Kenny B

Please make sure everybody understands that this means you run any available 1/12th scale NASCAR style body (approved or unapproved). This does not allow the use of any other style bodies (GTP, touring cars, etc.). This is an oval event based upon NASCAR style bodies for all classes.

Thanks!

Kenny B
ROAR ExComm

Kenny B,

Right, wrong, or indifferent I cut and pasted that as is from the ROAR webpage.

Brian