was anybody thinking of going to the roar carpet nats to run brushless?how do you feel about them not having this as a class

How do you feel about having to buy a transponder to race?

How do you feel about having to buy a transponder to race?

I also do not like this, But get used to it It is now a roar rule for class 4 events.....So from now on at every national you will have to have a personal..... I know i am not going to this years nat's ROAR needs to get it together on many aspects. I don't know why they won't allow brushless.....maybe they want to go under in the oval scene, That's what it looks like to me.....

I'm going to be out of town that week, so I hadn't planed on racing... I'm still hoping to be able to show up and watch the mains.

I see they have Stock and Mod 12th scale... I wonder how many racers they'll get for those. Now I know there are some 12th scale mod guys that like to run, but I'm not sure I've ever known any 12th scale stock racers... It would seem that they could have run a 4300 (what I belive is considered 'stock brushless') 10th scale class insted of the 12th stock class...

I still don't see the brushless stuff in the 2005 rule book... When they first announced that last year, it was like July... You'd think that there would have been time to get that in the 2005 Rule book... Makes me wonder just how commited to brushless racing ROAR really is.

Oh... BTW... remember how long it took ROAR to get 19 turn oval racing?

I'm glad the Michigan State Oval champs race will have two brushless clasess... And that I will attend...

i personaly think that they are missing the boat, the brushless class is taking off and they need to seize the mommentum. if they added brushless how could it hurt? what too many people might show up!!!!
if all the people that have bought brushless or are thinking about it all got together we would have a huge class for nats, can you imagine going to a race and having 50 guys show up for the 4300 class. now that would be a statement to you know who!!!!!

Not that I think it's a good thing... but acording to KennyB. brushless oval is a 'exhibition' class, and the hosts (Halo Hobby and/or Josh Cyrul) get to choose two exhibition classes to run with the four manditiory classes.... So the two 12th scale classes were choosen.

It's probably too late, but if you want a brushless class you should talk to the host track...

As Dyno said, that is not a ROAR decision. The host track has the option of what classes to run (other then the required ones) so it's hard to blame ROAR on that one.

Dont know why you guys are surprised, Brushless is NOT accepted yet, yes people are running them, but ony exhibition, even in off road.I for one am happy about that.
IMO.

Just to confirm this was not a ROAR decision actually a few of us liked the idea of running a brushless class. But the host track has the right too choose classes that they think will draw the best support.

Having said that I’m a big fan of 1/12 scale racing and after seeing 90+ cars at the Snowbirds I hope we will see a resurgence in the class at the Nats. They really are the most fun to drive.

I talked with a lot of drivers in Florida and all indication are this will be a very well attended Nationals. :thumbsup:

The excitement is because for some reason people had previously thought that there was going to be a brushless class as this event... and brushless is really taking off in Southern Michigan... and many of us in this area are just a stones throw from the site of this years National oval race...

Given 3 classes of 12th scale being offered, it would seem that maybe one of those could have been a 10th scale brushless... I think there is at least as much popularity of 10th scale brushless as there is for almost any of the three 12th scale classes.

In Michigan, I only know of like one or maybe two people who ever run 12th scale oval, and they normaly only run that when they go to the Snowbird race...

It would seem better to try to encurage brushless then 12th scale in many peoples minds... (my own included)

I was considering going to Nats under the assumption there would be a brushless class. I guess I won't be attending. To be honest I have very little interest in ever doing brushed racing again, so hopefully BMS will choose to run it this summer at the paved nats.

One thing I was informed about is brushless was suppose to be a class but due to rule changes and getting everything approved the powers at be decided that wasn't going to happen. So my understanding is the brushless motors are going to be able to be ran in mod classes. But not in stock like what was previously planned. I've also heard that Novak is coming out with a hotter brushless that is more like the real mods. But I'm not sure as the 2005 rule book does not have any mention of brushless.

This is not just for oval but also for onroad as well. As Sonny said it is up to the track to decide on what classes will be ran at the Nats other then the required classes. The only required classes for oval nats 10th mod, 10th stock, and 12th mod.

Also as a side note if you didn't know stock motors can now retail for $46, 19t for $65, and mod motors for $110.

Roar also got rid of the 97 and newer body rule so you can use any year body but we still have to weigh 40oz.

But hey, look on the bright side atleast oval doesn't have qual points.

Brian

For brushless to be more compariable to their mod counterparts they would need to have ferrite mags. And that alone will make brushless soo slow it wouldnt even be funny. Right now all the brushless systems that I know of that are even close to a real mods speed are running some sort of rear-earth magnets. I'm all for letting them in, but lets level the playing field and make sure that both have to adhear to as many of the same rules that can apply.

Motor Can thickness, magnet material, and retail price.

There migh be some people running it in a couple parts of the courtry. But this is a national, and if a class is not run nationally then whats the point of running it? There has been a huge resurgence of 1/12 scale racing and its run all over, west coast, east coast, middle USA... There is no brushless oval racing on the west coast. There is little to no B/L oval on the east coast, from what I have been told.

I can understand not going to the nats if thats all that you run B/L, but not going just because your pissed at roar is only hurting the oval racing that we all love to do. We need to get our numbers up at the big races and start making the oval nats mean somthing once again. We cant get our numbers up if we don get magazine exposure. And we are not going to get magazine exposure if only 75 guys show up.

JMO
DW

For brushless to be more compariable to their mod counterparts they would need to have ferrite mags. And that alone will make brushless soo slow it wouldnt even be funny. Right now all the brushless systems that I know of that are even close to a real mods speed are running some sort of rear-earth magnets. I'm all for letting them in, but lets level the playing field and make sure that both have to adhear to as many of the same rules that can apply.

Motor Can thickness, magnet material, and retail price.

There migh be some people running it in a couple parts of the courtry. But this is a national, and if a class is not run nationally then whats the point of running it? There has been a huge resurgence of 1/12 scale racing and its run all over, west coast, east coast, middle USA... There is no brushless oval racing on the west coast. There is little to no B/L oval on the east coast, from what I have been told.

I can understand not going to the nats if thats all that you run B/L, but not going just because your pissed at roar is only hurting the oval racing that we all love to do. We need to get our numbers up at the big races and start making the oval nats mean somthing once again. We cant get our numbers up if we don get magazine exposure. And we are not going to get magazine exposure if only 75 guys show up.

JMO
DW

Well at this years Novak Touring Car race Charlie from Novak had a new system he was running in mod and it was much faster then a brushed motor. It was just a lot different to drive as it is somehting no one has ever done before.

Also Agree that we as racers need to get our numbers up and get hurd. As it is now ROAR appears to be very gas oriented and if enough people say soemthing chances are something will happen. But as it is right now most of what people are upset about with ROAR is only said at races by racers and the officals at the races have no idea that there are any problems. So make statements at races but also send them to your ROAR rep.

Brian

Where in the midwest is 1/12th scale ran?I see alot of brushless in the midwest!

I know guys on the East Coast, PA/NY still run 1/12th but that is about it.

The only two people I know that have run 12th scale oval are Walter Henderson (I think he ran 12th oval a little) and Ted Flack. I bought a 12th scale oval car, never completely put it together, never had any one to race against really, so there was/is little point in building it now. But then if I wasn't going out of town., I could have run it at the nationals. I really did think it was probably likely to be really fun, that's why I bought it.

Brushless 12th scale... Now that would be cool... :)

Brushless i belive is still considered a demonstration class.. I think it is the track who decides if it is run... Roar as far as brushless, seems to be the only one doing anything as far as brushless and rules.... we had a great class at the paved nats this past summer...

i have been to races in ohio,wisc.,indiana and mich this season,have not seen a heat of any type 12th scale to race yet.would have been better to have a 12th stock,mod,10th stock,19 turn,mod,and brushless 10thscale and have higher attendence so oval gets the coverage it needs and nowhere does it say i am mad more like dissappointed

i agree, i think if you add brushless 4300 and 5800, 2 more classes for people to run and you have so much time i see a lot of people running 2 classes with brushless meaning more revenue for the tracks and more racing for the people. sounds like a win win situation to me.

KInda surprised to see stock 12th scale as a class , I went to the '03 nats at trackside and only 2 people even signed up for stock 12th scale, would definatley make more sense to offer a 5800 class at least. As for Mod 12th scales at the '03 nats, as exciting as they were to watch there were only 17 or 18 of them, I know they would get alot more brushless than all the 12th sclae classes put together if they affoered it.

Just my opinion
Joel

TIME FOR EVERY BRUSHLESS RACER TO SPEAK UP. I called Josh tonight and we discussed the option of substituting a brushless 1/10th scale class for the 1/12th stock class. Josh is open to but it will be sell and COMITTMENT FOR YOUR ATTENDANCE to have the class. Josh has held the NORRCA nats and typical race nights with none to little brushless interest. IF YOU WANT THIS CLASS you will need to commit to being there.

Again ROAR does not dictate classes as brushless is not an offical class as of yet. ROAR has been on the forefront of brushless but THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY THINGs to hash out prior to setting rules. Bob Novak has been at the last two ExComm meetings discussing the class. So please stop the ROAR bashing as it is not necessary.

E-mail ONLY DO NOT CALL AND BUG HIM at joshcyrul@cefx.net and me at kenny@team1rc.com . You are being asked to provide written confirmation that YOU will attend if the class is offered. EACH PERSON ASKIGN TO HAVE BRUSHLESS MUST REPLY NOT JUST ONE PERSON SAYING HE/SHE WILL BRING 6 DRIVERS. WE WILL NEED A TRUE HEAD COUNT. Josh and I will talk in few days to discuss the final decisin on class swapping. Brushless would replace one 1/12TH class and not be added to the class inventory.

I have stepped to the plate for us oval guys a few years ago under the same situation, and the class attendance was a flop. Make it happen if oyu want it.

Kenny B
ROAR Excomm
Track Administrator

email sent to josh , as well as my contact info
thank you kenny for standing up for us, that was a noble move!!!!!!!!!

Kenny
An easier way to ensure people will show up and run B/L is to make them Pre-enter with entry fee by a certain date, Say 4/1

Say min of 10 guys pre-enter for it to be ran at the nats.

That is what Classic is doing with 4-cell spec for their nats cause its not a class normally ran locally at the track but guys wanted it, so we are gonna see if they pre-enter and are serious about it.

That will most likely be the next step ifJosh decides he has enough to pursue the class. So far I have received only one e-mail.

Kenny B

Kenny,

I sent an email to you and Josh, but it was returned. Said your email address had fatal errors. Ill run brushless 4300.

Ill run Brushelss 4300 as well

get everyone that is willing to run 4300 class to email josh ASAP!!!
so that we can make the class happen

Davz noted....don't know why the returned e-mail.

Kenny B
ROAR Excomm