Check out this:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/TV/02/16/tv.startrek.ap/index.html

Riiiiiiight.:D

John O.

I certainly hope not.

quote: "The ad asked viewers to commit to watching the show, now in its fourth season, if the Sci Fi Channel -- "its logical home," according to the ad -- agrees to pick it up."

So all these masses of protesters will be mass viewing?

Didn't anyone else think it was strange that the cancelation announcement came near the beginning of the season instead of at the end. I did!

It's like bringing out a new product line and cancelling it due to poor sales before you get the sales figures. ???????

What if, between now and the end of the season, the ratings go up through
the roof? You would think the normal thing to do would be to wait till near
the end and see how the ratings were. Yes? No?

It's like there is was "something" going on. Are they trying to get everyone's attention? Are there certain people associated with the show that they wanted to get rid of but the only way out of their contracts, without big payoffs, was if the show was cancelled? And once those people are gone, they can re-start?

There is definately something funny with this whole thing.

James :)

What if, between now and the end of the season, the ratings go up through
the roof?


Do you remember that old SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE sketch: "What if Napolean had B-52's"?

I would only support this if it continues as it currently is with Manny Coto at the helm.

Huzz

Do you remember that old SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE sketch: "What if Napolean had B-52's"?

Ya. I almost wrote, "what if my grandmother had wheels?"

The "funny" thing that's going on is that UPN, Paramount and Viacom are all determined to be rid of the show. It does not fit in with UPN's marketing strategy and the Paramount regime that supported Trek for years has now been largely swept aside and the new regime has no interest in Trek at least in the short term. The announcement was made almost immediately after the show acheived the minimum number of episodes necessary for syndication and was then sold into syndication, guaranteeing the studio a return on its costly investment in the show.

Hordes of Trekkies will not be able to change these basic facts (and the last time a "rally" in the name of Trek--specifically, a Captain Sulu show--was organized in front of Paramount approximately ten people showed up). I agree the show is vastly improved under Manny Coto's direction this year and I wish he'd have been there from season one, but given the situation at UPN & Paramount I'm not sure even a critically-praised, fan-beloved Enterprise would not still be getting cancelled right now. It would take a miracle far bigger than a fan letter-writing campaign to change Paramount's mind right now...

In an alternate universe Enterprise is No. 1.

Now if we only had a petition sit to keep the thing off the air. :D

Do you remember that old SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE sketch: "What if Napolean had B-52's"?

Actually, I Think it was "What if Napolean had a Piper Cub", but I agree with your point.

It was "What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub" with Kirk Douglas reprising his role.

Didn't anyone else think it was strange that the cancelation announcement came near the beginning of the season instead of at the end. I did!

It's like bringing out a new product line and cancelling it due to poor sales before you get the sales figures. ???????

It's not odd at all, they're just trying to make a little lemonade out of their lemon. Its an old "going out of business sale" trick to get folks into the store - a cousin to the bartender making "last call", which gets people who stopped drinking an hour ago to order another drink.

UPN still has to be able to justify for their advertisers the price charged for commercial time, even for a show that's being dumped. They have to be able to quantify the eyeballs watching the screen, so if they can get their numbers up a bit, the money keeps coming in.

There's nothing real tricky or sly about this, it's over.

John O.

Now if we only had a petition sit to keep the thing off the air. :D

What about a petiton telling all the whiners to CHANGE THE FRELLING CHANNEL if they don't like it!?!?!?:mad:

Guys, I am SICK UNTO DEATH of all this complaining and bashing of Enterprise. Sure, it isn't perfect, but then, honestly, what is? What Enterprise is, however, is what we have at the moment. Instead of being greateful for what we have, there has been a ridiculous amount of complaining since day one.

To quote Shatner, "Get a life, people! It's just a TV show!"

Sheesh!

What about a petiton telling all the whiners to CHANGE THE FRELLING CHANNEL if they don't like it!?!?!?:mad:

Guys, I am SICK UNTO DEATH of all this complaining and bashing of Enterprise. Sure, it isn't perfect, but then, honestly, what is? What Enterprise is, however, is what we have at the moment. Instead of being greateful for what we have, there has been a ridiculous amount of complaining since day one.

To quote Shatner, "Get a life, people! It's just a TV show!"

Sheesh!

The part about changing the channel also applies to reading anti-Enterprise posts....dont read them. People shouldnt be grateful for something they dont like and if they dont like it they are allowed to complain. This is America after all (or a shadow of it at least).

I read on WWW.Trektoday.com (http://www.Trektoday.com) that the show's ratings are up yet again.

http://www.trektoday.com/news/170205_02.shtml
Huzz

What about a petiton telling all the whiners to CHANGE THE FRELLING CHANNEL if they don't like it!?!?!?:mad:

Guys, I am SICK UNTO DEATH of all this complaining and bashing of Enterprise. Sure, it isn't perfect, but then, honestly, what is? What Enterprise is, however, is what we have at the moment. Instead of being greateful for what we have, there has been a ridiculous amount of complaining since day one.

To quote Shatner, "Get a life, people! It's just a TV show!"

Sheesh!

So, if you see something you love being slowly poisoned, just look the other way? Screw that!

Be grateful for the steaming pile of crap we have now instead of wishing for the decent TV show we once watched? Screw that too!

John John John John John!

That's five Johns in a row John! Whoops - that makes six!

Anyway, its Friday and in that spirit, I both agree and disagree with ya!

Yes, I can clearly see why people would call seasons 1 and 2 and maybe even 3 a steaming pile of crap. I was also disappointed with 1 and 2 but not so publicly critical of it.

But I really and truly think that season 4 has been much much better than any of the previous ones. There haven't been any time travel stories, the stories tie in to Trek continuity much better, there is no technobabble, there is no use of contrived plot devices to move the story along, and things like that. I have also seen criticisms here of some of Enterprise's acting.

But!

I don't think its fair,

to criticize those guys

in view

of some of the techniques

that Shatner used!

My hope was that the show would develop into something more akin to "the decent TV show we once watched" as you say. Indeed, I think that this season it is firmly on that track. The recent increase in ratings may be indicative of that, or it may be due to the publicity generated by recent coverage of the show's cancellation. Who knows? But as we all know, this will be the last season so we'll never see what we could have gotten from Manny C and the boys. Unfortunately, I firmly believe that it would have been some good stuff.

In any case I have to agree wholeheartedly with anyone that says that whatever the future holds for Star Trek, it had better not include Rick Berman and Brannon Braga. What would I say to these guys? Well, nobody says it better every week than The Donald! And we don't have to guess what that is.

Huzz

Sorry for the long post!

Is it happy hour yet? Don't it suck that we can't all get around a table in a bar and have a beer over this stuff?

Huzz

I have also seen criticisms here of some of Enterprise's acting.

But!

I don't think its fair,

to criticize those guys

in view

of some of the techniques

that Shatner used!



http://www.inpayne.com/smilies/roflx.gif http://www.inpayne.com/smilies/anim_rofl2.gif Ya got us there!

Actually, I've acknowledged that I actually LIKE the job Jolene is doing. She has a difficult job and she's doing fine. Trinneer is also a fine, natural actor. Even bakula has been coming out of his shell lately. And the rest don't get a chance to show their chops.

I'll be taping it tonight and watching it tomorrow, as always. it IS better this year.

Tonites eps. is supposed to be the one Worf "doesn't like to tell outsiders" :thumbsup:

I'll Be There.



JOHN/Lonfan

The Klingon/Augment arc. Was very entertaining !

And it was even plausible!
..and yet they couldn't resist the 'secret mission' subplot thing that they always use.

Section 31? Oy. :rolleyes:

One thing I did notice - GREAT music!!

That would be Pre-Section 31 since that title refers to the section of the Federation charter that the organization will be named for.

B&B should answer for there crimes againts STAR TREK!

.......maybe way deep down they really resent ST and its from all those times they spent at Junior high school shuved in their lockers with their underware pulled up over their heads? :lol:
Though I must admit The last few episodes have been better....a bit more down to the basics and not so flashy.

The photography style in the beginning of the episode looked very different than I'm used to seeing from Trek. I liked the fx shot of the Columbia as seen from Tucker's view port too. Nice.

Huzz

Maybe it's just me, but didn't that Klingon scientist look and sound just like Boris Karloff in Klingon makeup.

Actually it was John Shuck, who also played the Klingon ambassador who wanted Kirk dead in ST:IV.

Not a bad episode. It had more of a ST:TNG or DS9 feel to it, I thought--esp. with the 'secret agent man' thing they had going on.

Looking forward to the effects of the Consititution-class Defiant in an upcoming episode. Whose number system will they use? :confused:

Actually it was John Shuck, who also played the Klingon ambassador who wanted Kirk dead in ST:IV.


Yep, before that he was on the immortal sci-fi show "Holmes & Yo-yo".

I used to like him on that show where he and Blyth Danner switched bodies, but then I always had a thing for Blyth Danner.

I used to like him on that show where he and Blyth Danner switched bodies, but then I always had a thing for Blyth Danner.
Actually, that was Sharon Gless with Schuck in Turnabout. I enjoyed the Section 31 tie-in. I like the stuff that alludes to the original series, but I enjoy seeing the rest of Trek canon served as well.

Qapla'

SSB

I'll always think of him as the bumbling Sgt Enwright (?) on MacMillin and Wife.

:thumbsup:

That was a REALLY good episode.

And the augment/forehead thing actually makes sense!
That's gotta be Cotto!

-Leelan

Just read the synopsis and saw the promo of the upcoming Part II episode "Divergence" on this issue...

:lol:

No wonder this show tanked.

:rolleyes: Ain't even seen it and baggin' on it again....

Yup.

I'm looking forward to it and I'm sure I'll enjoy it. I enjoyed the first part too.

Huzz

:rolleyes: Ain't even seen it and baggin' on it again....

Well, if the last episode was anything to go by. And we also have about fifteen years of Berman Trek to go by. :lol:

:rolleyes: Ain't even seen it and baggin' on it again....
That could be the name of this board's theme song, if you ask me.

Qapla'

SSB

That or "Bash Happy!" Seems the fashion for some folks to bag on shows they don't like ad naseum. They can't simply give an objective reason why they don't like it, they have to get insulting - and do it every time that particular subject is brought up - no matter the forum, it seems.... :rolleyes:

I've given plenty of objective reasons why I don't like it. Like it's poorly conceived and written for example. Like it's executed like a cheap cliche ridden comic book. Like it attempts to ride on the back of better work that came before in a desperate bid to woo viewers, a bid that has failed. Like it has nothing new of significance to say and simply continues the same-old-same-old of VOY only slightly redressed.

One may get a bellyfull of unjustified criticism yet one can also get a bellyache of undeserved praise.

Tough.

They can't simply give an objective reason why they don't like it, they have to get insulting
Granted, there are those who do watch and don't like, and those who can give logical reasons for their displeasure -- that's fine. I'm not talking about that. But I'm talking about those who rag on how terrible a movie will be even when it has only been announced ... Certainly, we've been surprised before by movies that might have seemed to hold little promise on paper.

I for one am very impressed with the current Enterprise story. Before this, I had never heard a single theory concerning the change in the appearance of the Klingons that made sense to me in the context of what we know about them -- their mindset and general approach to life. Even though I have really enjoyed the show the last couple of years (and thought it was okay before that), I was very skeptical of this storyline. But tying the augment storyline into it was the key to the whole thing making sense.

Qapla'

SSB

I've given plenty of objective reasons why I don't like it. Like it's poorly conceived and written for example. Like it's executed like a cheap cliche ridden comic book. Like it attempts to ride on the back of better work that came before in a desperate bid to woo viewers, a bid that has failed. Like it has nothing new of significance to say and simply continues the same-old-same-old of VOY only slightly redressed.
Actually, those are all subjective reasons. But as I said, that's okay. If you don't like, then you don't like it. But it doesn't mean those who do are wrong. We just see things in it you don't. Our reasons are subjective as well. It is the nature of art.

Qapla'

SSB

I've given plenty of objective reasons why I don't like it. Like it's poorly conceived and written for example. Like it's executed like a cheap cliche ridden comic book. Like it attempts to ride on the back of better work that came before in a desperate bid to woo viewers, a bid that has failed. Like it has nothing new of significance to say and simply continues the same-old-same-old of VOY only slightly redressed.
And not a bit of what you've said is at all subjective, eh...? :rolleyes:

Whatever, dude!

My contention w/your comments has everything to do with how subjective your views obviously are. I have no problem with whether you like it or not and don't expect everyone to like every show out there. You can be critical of a show w/making your comments as personal as you do. The constant bagging on the mentality of the viewers is highly insulting to those of us who like it.
One may get a bellyfull of unjustified criticism yet one can also get a bellyache of undeserved praise.
I'd argue that you give undeserved criticism.
Tough.
And here we have where you show your disrespect for the opinions of others - again....

I agree pretty much with Warped except that I have seen a couple of what I consider decent episodes and I like the Klingon story line so far.

Some of the subjective reasons can be measured to a degree objectively (ratings, etc.), however, this line: "Like it has nothing new of significance to say and simply continues the same-old-same-old of VOY only slightly redressed" I think can be shown to be objectively true with an analytical comparison of the two shows' episodes.

In any case, it is perfectily justifiable to give subjective opinions on matters of taste. The trick on the forums is to not over-react to someone's opinions. These are conversations between friends. It's not as if the studios care what we say here to any significant degree if they're listening at all.

Manny Coto weighs in on what could be if the series is saved, and his thoughts on the efforts to save it:

http://www.trekunited.com/news.php?id=5

Qapla'

SSB

however, this line: "Like it has nothing new of significance to say and simply continues the same-old-same-old of VOY only slightly redressed" I think can be shown to be objectively true with an analytical comparison of the two shows' episodes.
Not really, because the the opinions of what is significant and what is "same-old-same-old" are both subjective.

Qapla'

SSB

^^ If similar elements are used in both stories and outlines of plots are similar, I think there could be some objective proof, albeit a fine line between the objective and subjective in that case.