REVISED (04/10/05):

Hi,

I have put together a website for the MORL series now. Please check there for official rules, schedule, etc:

http://richardchang.com/morl

This thread will still be used for MORL series discussion.

Thanks and see you at the races!
-Rich


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REVISED (03/21/05):

1) Classes that count toward the series:

stock TC, mod TC, 19-turn TC, and nitro TC

2) foam or rubber tire choices:

Nitro TC: foam only
Electric TC: rubber tire or foam tire (separate classes)

3) numbers of races: 3 (all Michigan tracks)

Race 1: June 19, 2005 at RCScrewz Speedway (Livonia, MI)
Race 2: July 17, 2005 at Lazer Speedway (Adrian, MI)
Race 3: August 28, 2005 at Hobby Hub Raceway (Lansing, MI)

4) no dropped races - all 3 races count toward the series (this may seem a bit harsh, but see the "overall points series" calculation below)

5) cost per entry (this will be in addition to whatever the track charges for their entry fee): $10 --- only applies for classes that are part of the MORL series.

6) race day payouts:

Cash payout for the top-3 in every main (ie: A, B, C, D...) at each race.

- TQ for each class that has at least 8 entries (no payout if less than 8 entries): $20

- winnings payout for each heat that has at least 5 racers:

1st place: $25
2nd place: $15
3rd place: $10

- winnings payout for each heat that has less than 5 racers and at least 3 racers:

1st place: $15
2nd place: $10
3rd place: $5


7) overall series points calculation: overall placement at the end of the series is based off of a sum of your laps/time for all 3 races. This is something new/different and it will be a cool twist in my opinion.

8) overall series payout:

Whatever money we have left over at each race will go the overall series payout fund. I would like everyone who participated to get some money, but that will depend on how much money is left over at the end of the series. Otherwise, money will be distributed among the top points of each class.

9) race day prizes

There will not be any race day prizes since we are doing money payouts.

10) tech rules

ROAR rules

Rich
It would be a lot of fun to get the "big crowd" together to race again! A lot of racers we don't see anymore unles you make a point to go to all the tracks!
Ken

I'm all for it Rich. We here in fort wayne don't have anything big planned at this time for summer on road, so I would try to make it to your races.

Karl.

Hi Karl -That is great! Would be good to see you guys. I wish I could make it to the Indiana State race next month but I have something else scheduled that weekend. :(


Ken - Awesome. Spread the word around. Maybe I should dig up that rcracers email list I have and fire off an email to it.

-Rich

Hi Karl -That is great! Would be good to see you guys. I wish I could make it to the Indiana State race next month but I have something else scheduled that weekend. :(


Ken - Awesome. Spread the word around. Maybe I should dig up that rcracers email list I have and fire off an email to it.

-Rich

count me in for mod sedan!

:cool: Yes !

We will be running the Grand Rapids On-Road track, at Riders parking lot, again this year. We would like to find out more info on this series.

Yeah, Im for sure interested in that. The MORL was a blast!

Hi Rich

If this becomes a series would the races be run on Saturday or Sunday.

I would be in for this :thumbsup: Sounds like fun

It would depend on what day the host track normally races.

-Rich

Hi Rich

If this becomes a series would the races be run on Saturday or Sunday.

Rich,
Would any of these races be a night race?
Fred

Hi Fred,

Most likely not. However, Dan/Carlos are still planning on holding their annual night race in Ann Arbor sometime during the summer.

-Rich

Sounds like fun!! Would all depend on what weekends they would fall on.

I am still pondering doing the series. I need to find out dates of a lot of the annual summer races. I need dates of the following so that I can try and not have any conflicts. If anyone knows them, please post them here.

1) MARS races
2) FTMS races
2) Mid-west nitro series races
3) Lazer Speedway points races
4) Hubby Hub trophy races

Any others?

Thanks,
-Rich

Rich-
Lazer will open May 1 and these are the Points Dates:

5/22~6/5~6/26~7/10~7/31~8/14~9/11

Mars Dates are: 5/14~6/4~7/16~8/13~9/17

-Leslie

Thanks, Leslie. Would you and Russ be interested in hosting one of the 3 MORL races?

-Rich

I know Tony said he would like to talk to you about GR being in this series.Sounds like it would be fun :)

Okay, I ran some preliminary numbers and it looks like this will be doable.

What I am planning on going with so far:

1) Classes that count toward the series:

stock TC, mod TC, 19-turn TC, and nitro TC

2) foam or rubber tire choices: you can run whatever you want, but I will not be separating classes, unless there is enough of of each type to warrant splitting the classes up. Does anyone run rubber tire on asphalt in electric anymore?

2) numbers of races: 3 (all Michigan tracks)

3) no dropped races - all 3 races count toward the series (this may seem a bit harsh, but see the "overall points series" calculation below)

4) cost per entry (this will be in addition to whatever the track charges for their entry fee): $10

5) race day payouts:

- TQ for each class that has at least 8 entries (no payout if less than 8 entries):

$20

- winnings payout for each heat that has at least 5 racers:

1st place: $25
2nd place: $15
3rd place: $10

- winnings payout for each heat that has less than 5 racers and at least 3 racers:

1st place: $15
2nd place: $10
3rd place: $5


6) overall series points calculation: overall placement at the end of the series is based off of a sum of your laps/time for all 3 races. This is something new/different and it will be a cool twist in my opinion.

7) overall series payout:

Whatever money we have left over at each race will go the overall series payout fund. I would like everyone who participated to get some money, but that will depend on how much money is left over at the end of the series. Otherwise, money will be distributed among the top points of each class.

8) race day prizes

There will not be any race day prizes since we are doing money payouts.

9) rules

ROAR rules

[QUOTE=Rich Chang]Okay, I ran some preliminary numbers and it looks like this will be doable.


2) foam or rubber tire choices: you can run whatever you want, but I will not be separating classes, unless there is enough of of each type to warrant splitting the classes up. Does anyone run rubber tire on asphalt in electric anymore?



Rich, I ran rubber all last summer but foam sounds like fun if there's enough
interest.
BTW, thanks for taking the time to set this up !

Ah okay, I pretty much didn't race last summer so I couldn't remember what was run on electric TC.

So, it sounds like it is primarily rubber on electric TC and foam for nitro TC?

-Rich

Go to www.midwestseries.com for MWS schedule.

Thanks. After taking the Lazer dates, MARS dates, and MWS dates, it looks like these are the open dates:

5/15
5/29
6/12
6/19
7/17
8/7
8/28

Anyone know when the FTMS races are?

I think the final race of the season should be the RCRCCCRC. That is the Rich Chang Radio Control Car Classic Race of Champions!!! And then you need to throw in a presented by... at the beginning and a powered by...at the end.

Hah - I'm sure you could fit another RC in there somewhere. Is "RC Cola" still made? Maybe they could also sponsor it.

-Rich

I'll donate some motor brushs ............ R obert C ates LOL

Ah okay, I pretty much didn't race last summer so I couldn't remember what was run on electric TC.

So, it sounds like it is primarily rubber on electric TC and foam for nitro TC?

-Rich

I'm not sure about Lazer or any Detroit area tracks, but Lansing and Grand Rapids ran foam, with an occasional 19T rubber tire class. I vote for foam.

I'm not sure about Lazer or any Detroit area tracks, but Lansing and Grand Rapids ran foam, with an occasional 19T rubber tire class. I vote for foam.
I'll second that.

1 vote for Rubber Mod.....

foam tires all tc classes.

rich

sounds good. if i have a good job count me in.

are you going to use a "hand out tire" for mod rubber? is there a motor limmit? is brushless a sepparet class?

could you make it four races with no drops?

Hope you get a job. :)

If folks want to use handout tires, I don't have a problem with that.

I unfortunately can not do more than 3 races - I just don't have the time.

-Rich

Rich,


I talked to Keith and we are good to go. I just wanted to make sure and get back to you. Just gimme a date and I will make sure that it gets setup and promoted properly.

Talk to ya later,

Tim

Rich,

If you want I can talk to Adrian at Schumache and see about pricing for the cs-27 handouts, that would be A WHOLE BUNCH CHEAPER THEN FOAM'S...

Tim - awesome! I need to talk to Lazer now, and then figure out the 3rd track. I left vmail for Nick to see what he is doing this summer race wise.

Greg - Thanks - that would be cool. However, I don't want to be in the middle purchasing and selling them. So, something would need to be figured out there. Maybe a hobby store would be willing to buy them and sell them. Larry's?

Once I know the tracks involved I will be able to set the dates.

Rich,

If you want I can talk to Adrian at Schumache and see about pricing for the cs-27 handouts, that would be A WHOLE BUNCH CHEAPER THEN FOAM'S...

How do you figure that? I ran both rubber and foam last year at G.R. and wore out rubber tires in 2 race days.

Kevin, I've never raced at GR but running foam at RoadRage in Columbus and the Summer Classic in Lansing, i spent more on foam then I did on rubber all summer...

I'm not sure what cs-27 tires cost but I can get a complete set of foams for $17.40

most people are paying that a pair....

I don't have a problem running 2 electric TC classes of rubber and foam if there is enough interest in both.

I am trying to decide if I am going to have 2 different classes in regards to 19-turn and mod.

-Rich

Kevin, I've never raced at GR but running foam at RoadRage in Columbus and the Summer Classic in Lansing, i spent more on foam then I did on rubber all summer...

Greg - Maybe G.R.'s asphalt is unusual (it it very new and smooth), and Lansing's was definitely more abrasive, but at G.R. I get a month's racing out of a set of foams. And that's not using them up completely. (I start them out at full size and use them until they reach "indoor" size, then save them for carpet.) In rubber class, I mostly used Sorex 28's. Maybe they wear faster than CS-27's (never tried 'em), but I just don't like the whole "10 different tire choices with 5 different liners" aspect of rubber tire racing. And then if the sun comes out (or goes behind a cloud), your car's handling changes.

Greg - Maybe G.R.'s asphalt is unusual (it it very new and smooth), and Lansing's was definitely more abrasive, but at G.R. I get a month's racing out of a set of foams. And that's not using them up completely. (I start them out at full size and use them until they reach "indoor" size, then save them for carpet.) In rubber class, I mostly used Sorex 28's. Maybe they wear faster than CS-27's (never tried 'em), but I just don't like the whole "10 different tire choices with 5 different liners" aspect of rubber tire racing. And then if the sun comes out (or goes behind a cloud), your car's handling changes.

Unfortunately the Sorex tires is made to be the fastest tire the first time it is used. It is very thin and has a rubber that is made for all out speed and not lasting the longest. The CS (Controled Series) tires are made to be the same from the first run to the last run. That is why it is the choice tire for many handout races. The CS-27 GL, GL for glued premounted are the tires that are used as they come premounted. Usually they are about $30-40 for a set of 4. That is 4 tires, 4 rims, and 4 inserts glued together and ready to race. And the CS-27 can be ran on pavement and carpet. I'm not indorsing the CS-27 but for the price and performance you can't beat it.

And how you are getting foams for that price you should share the wealth. hehehe

Tires ain't pretty.... but you gotta have em! LoL!!

I agree with the Sorex tire idea, they are pretty good tires.

I was wondering however, running foam and rubber on the same track same day, is that a problem? I tried to run rubber on Hamiltons track in Ohio, bad idea, the rubber tires felt like I was running on marbles.

Karl

Unfortunately the Sorex tires is made to be the fastest tire the first time it is used. It is very thin and has a rubber that is made for all out speed and not lasting the longest. The CS (Controled Series) tires are made to be the same from the first run to the last run. That is why it is the choice tire for many handout races. The CS-27 GL, GL for glued premounted are the tires that are used as they come premounted. Usually they are about $30-40 for a set of 4. That is 4 tires, 4 rims, and 4 inserts glued together and ready to race. And the CS-27 can be ran on pavement and carpet. I'm not indorsing the CS-27 but for the price and performance you can't beat it.

And how you are getting foams for that price you should share the wealth. hehehe
Always defending his big brother now that is so sweet :wave: :wave:

I don't think that should be a problem. We did that 2 years ago (or was it 3?) with running both foam and rubber tires in electric and nitro TC. Pretty much the 3 tracks (it looks like it will be RC Screwz, Lazer, and Hobby Hub) treat the track surface, so traction will not be a problem.

Al, your everyone's BIGGER BROTHER

Unfortunately the Sorex tires is made to be the fastest tire the first time it is used. It is very thin and has a rubber that is made for all out speed and not lasting the longest. The CS (Controled Series) tires are made to be the same from the first run to the last run. That is why it is the choice tire for many handout races. The CS-27 GL, GL for glued premounted are the tires that are used as they come premounted. Usually they are about $30-40 for a set of 4. That is 4 tires, 4 rims, and 4 inserts glued together and ready to race. And the CS-27 can be ran on pavement and carpet. I'm not indorsing the CS-27 but for the price and performance you can't beat it.


NOW he tells me! :jest:

As for foam tire prices, I'm not sure where Fred gets them that cheap. Probably somewhere on the internet. Riders usually had Jacos for around $15 a pair (if memory serves me correctly).

:dude: