YAHOOO!!!!!! Does Battlestar ROCK or what?!

Thank Gawd ! ....good SCI FI TV!..... Its about time!!!!!! :thumbsup:

Yup. I thought this weekend's ep was out-frikin-standing!!! Capping each Act with progressive images of Starbuck spinning and punching out was a great device, made for a very strong visual metaphor - almost like those failure dreams everyone has at times of stress.

I'm definately coming back for more.

John O.

So Say We All!

James :)

I agree completely, I hated the female Starbuck in the pilot, but she's slowly grown on me. Really good episode, man do I hate those words "To Be Continued..." when I'm caught up in the plot.

Any word on whether anybody is going to get a license for models of the new Vipers? At first glance it doen't look like it'd be hard to convert a "classic" Viper, sadly those seem to be getting really pricey these days.

I like it and I don't even like TV sci-fi (generally).

My boss and his wife watch it and they don't like most Sci Fi movie and TV.

......and YES! some models would be nice! I even like that Raptor....1/35 scale would be nice!

SO SAY WE ALL!

I haven't heard anyone say much about it, but I dig the Raptor quite a lot. It's nice to see some support craft other than a shuttle in a sci-fi context. If it were my choice, I'd rather have a kit of the Raptor up first.

John O.

The look on Adama's face after Starbuck told him Zack didn't have the chops to be a pilot... MAN Olmos' can look murderous when he wants to.

So say we all!!

José

I remember last year there were some complaints about the music / drum effects .....but I like it! I wouldn't go out and buy the soundtrack but I think it works very well.

There is a lot of thought going into this show and I'm hooked!

Well, I bought the mini-series sound track and played it at home today while my SO was sewing. She loved it. Then I tried to play the 25 Aniversary TOS BSG and after the main theme played about halfway through she told me it was way too cheesy and wanted me to play the new BSG again. Its what my old drafting teacher used to call (appropriately) "space music". There isn't a single tune or melody you can really take away with you, but its pretty cool music on its own.

John O.

The look on Adama's face after Starbuck told him Zack didn't have the chops to be a pilot... MAN Olmos' can look murderous when he wants to.
Oh, yeah. It wasn't because of her saying that Zak couldn't cut it, but because if she'd just washed him out, he'd still be alive. At least, that's what I got out of it. And the look on Starbuck's face when he said that, how it just... fell apart... Most soap actors can't do that good a job, and we're talking people who act almost every day of a week, around 50 weeks out of a year!
So say we all!!
So say we all.

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Well, I bought the mini-series sound track and played it at home today while my SO was sewing. She loved it. Then I tried to play the 25 Aniversary TOS BSG and after the main theme played about halfway through she told me it was way too cheesy and wanted me to play the new BSG again. Its what my old drafting teacher used to call (appropriately) "space music". There isn't a single tune or melody you can really take away with you, but its pretty cool music on its own.
I just ordered the soundtrack for the mini-series as well. Followed at link at Starship Modeler for this site ---> http://www.lalalandrecords.com/BattlestarGalactica.html Placed an order this morning at 6am (I'm a Midshift worker) and already received confirmation that my order shipped!

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I gotta listen to the music a little closer. In general, it strikes me more as "mood enhancing" music, something to accentuate the scene, rather than something you can listen to on its own. I agree with JohnO's logic in that it doesn't necessarily have to have a theme you can hum, but a lot of it to me sounds more like the musical equivalents of the characters heartbeats relative to the action on screen at the moment...not exactly something you can listen to for more than a few minutes.

Olmos out-glared Tony Soprano in that scene! There are just some people you do NOT want to see mad!

...not exactly something you can listen to for more than a few minutes.If you were sitting down to do nothing other than listen to the CD, you might soon find yourself wanting to do something else concurrently. We listened to it again last night after I made the post above and its really great background music, never demands you lend your full attention unlike the TOS BSG. I'm really digging the percussion throughout. There is also vocal work similar to that used in Gladiator, I'm wondering if its the same vocal artist. My SO digs the deep bass organ sections - no comments please.;)

On another BSG note, I found the 25th Aniversary BSG soundtrack to be dissapointing. Not because the music is a let-down, NO they've mixed this release with a completely superfluous reverb. They boned it IMHO. If I want reverb, I can mix it in myself.

John O.

Olmos out-glared Tony Soprano in that scene! There are just some people you do NOT want to see mad!

I've worked with Olmos before. He's a decent enough guy, but he is pretty stern in his demeanor, even off-camera.

Olmos out-glared Tony Soprano in that scene! There are just some people you do NOT want to see mad!

I think he picked that up on "Miami Vice", where Olmos averaged about 3 words an episode IIRC(Usually "Pick him up", "Check it out" or "You're getting too close to this"). The guy had a great glare back then too!

I gotta admit, I loved that "Walk out of here while you still can" line..

I remember last year there were some complaints about the music / drum effects .....but I like it! I wouldn't go out and buy the soundtrack but I think it works very well.

There is a lot of thought going into this show and I'm hooked!

As the series moves on, the soundtrack will get more elaborate and have a very cinematic feel to it (IMO).

9 times out of 10, a sci-fi show will take about 6 episodes before it starts to grow on me. BSG had me form the start! I really liked the 1st episode of series after the pilot, where they keep having to jump to keep ahead of the Cylons, I thought there was a real sense of danger to keep you on edge throughout.

It seems very much like B5 but with greater production values and cast. I think B5 could have been as good as this given the funding.

Grown up Sci-Fi for a change!

mike

Grown up Sci-Fi for a change!mike

Could not have put it better myself!

So say we all.

Olmos out-glared Tony Soprano in that scene! There are just some people you do NOT want to see mad!
What I really liked about that scene is that Adama is not just angry -- he's also heartbroken (because of his affection for Kara and his belief in her) and disillusioned because he just learned that Zack (Zach?) really wasn't good enough to be a pilot after all.

On some level, there's also likely some understanding of what Kara did.

Qapla'

SSB

Yup. I think all of that was there in that scene. Very well done for any TV drama.

I also like how they are handling the space scenes.....just enough noise to make it interesting and fairly realistic.

Love how the Vipers maneuver!

I've worked with Olmos before. He's a decent enough guy, but he is pretty stern in his demeanor, even off-camera.

I met him once too and I agree: he's not the type to joke around much.


It seems very much like B5 but with greater production values and cast

I'll agree that it has a B5 feel to it. BSG and B5 are realistic, adult human dramas. As for the production values, I think it's more of a function of its time. CGI's better now than ten years ago, and the studio's probably want to fund BSG better than WB did for B5.

On another BSG note, I found the 25th Aniversary BSG soundtrack to be dissapointing. Not because the music is a let-down, NO they've mixed this release with a completely superfluous reverb. They boned it IMHO. If I want reverb, I can mix it in myself.

Isn't the old BSG music just recycled Star Wars music?? [ducks] ;)

José

No ducking required. It wasn't great music, but again like the effects and design work in TOS-BSG, the music was often better than the show it was written for, but some times merely just as bad.

I think he picked that up on "Miami Vice", where Olmos averaged about 3 words an episode IIRC(Usually "Pick him up", "Check it out" or "You're getting too close to this"). The guy had a great glare back then too!

Lt. Castillo could stare down a shark and make it back away slowly.

Lt. Castillo could stare down a shark and make it back away slowly.
Slowly? More like at top speed, above the surface, crying "Yipe! Yipe! Yipe!" the whole way.

Qapla'

SSB

What I really like is their twist on old BSG plot lines. :thumbsup:

Remember when the old Starbuck crashed on that planet with a Cylon?
There is just a hint of that here. Hopefully the new one won't run into the Virgin or, in this case, a Holy Ghost,
and deliver us a Doctor Zee. :tongue:

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Here are two links for images of the new Viper and the Old Girl herself:
New Viper (http://www.starshipbuilder.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000002.html)
New BSG 75 (http://www.starshipbuilder.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/000001.html)

And someone is building the new Viper:
New Viper Kit? (http://rpf.prop-planet.com/viewtopic.php?topic=61395&forum=3)

We can only hope...

-Leelan

This would make one SWEET kit! larger than 1/48th please!

AWESOME DESIGN!

http://www.starshipbuilder.com/bsg2003/Viper_Mk2_PlanViews_0002sm.jpg

^ Admit it Fluke, you want a 1:1 scale... :cool:

I just thought of two things:

1) No one's mentioned Richard Hatch's "return" to Galactica last week

2) Why is it that the phrase "So say we all" sounds so powerful and reverent, but not so much when you change the word order a bit, even if you keep the same meaning ("We all say it")?

José

And apparently, it's climbing in the ratings with each passing episode. As someone on another board paraphrased:

You hear that, Mr. Berman? It's the sound of...inevitability.

No one's mentioned Richard Hatch's "return" to Galactica last weekI thought he was quite good. I read one reviewer who thought he eclipsed the actor playing Apollo, but I think you have to take it for what it was worth. If you put Richard Hatch in any part that "as written" is a little over the top, you're gonna get what we remember as his standard BSG-TOS performance level. I thought his subtler moments were just as good, maybe stronger. Perfectly appropriate that they had him playing a fanatic and I'm glad they got him on early - shows TPTB in their way embrace BSG-TOS, or at least don't fear it.

Olmos out-glared Tony Soprano in that scene! There are just some people you do NOT want to see mad!

I cheated and uploaded some more episodes so I could find out what happened and I love the series. 2 things.

1. Adama, do not mess with him. Period
2. E.J. Olmos is a damn fine actor. There is a depth to his relationship with Apollo and Starbuck yet to be seen.

Perfectly appropriate that they had him playing a fanatic and I'm glad they got him on early - shows TPTB in their way embrace BSG-TOS, or at least don't fear it.

Unlike another show who dares not mention its name....

I agree with your assessment of Hatch's performance. I disagree with the critic though: Ididn't think he eclipsed the current Apollo. Hatch's Apollo and the current Apollo are differently-written characters.

José

I keep seeing things in Jamie Bamber's Apollo that are really good. They are 2 different characters and I enjoy the current one.

I like Bamber's performance as the new Apollo. He's got a good screen presence. And I love the new series overall! I can't get enough of it. It's become must-see TV for me.

Sean

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Here is to a long and interesting journey!

So say we all!

But.......someone should tell them to forget about Earth .....they can do much better than that! :p

What I really liked about that scene is that Adama is not just angry -- he's also heartbroken (because of his affection for Kara and his belief in her) and disillusioned because he just learned that Zack (Zach?)
Zak. No "c" or "h".
really wasn't good enough to be a pilot after all.

On some level, there's also likely some understanding of what Kara did.

I got that it had nothing to do with Adama's feelings that his son wasn't good enough. Instead it was that she lied about it and was responsible for her sons death, as well as his utter disappointment in someone he considers to be like a daughter to him. To me, it was more a look of betrayal and the rage involved in that than anything else.

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I got that it had nothing to do with Adama's feelings that his son wasn't good enough.
Okay. I think it did -- though what you describe, no doubt, is the biggest share of it.

Qapla'

SSB

I think its all there, IMHO no issue stirred up about Zak is spared emotional examining in the exchange between Starbuck and Adama, but at the core of Adama's feelings is a betrayal of trust on the different levels already noted. That's what makes this scene so great, spoken or not, light is shined into every dark nasty corner and we see what's there by reflection in the actors' faces.

In addition to what you guys have brought up, I'd add that I sensed embarrassment from Adama (perhaps the least of what was going on) that he'd been so sure of Zak's abilities ...and Lee had been right all along.

Can you imagine us have a conversation about a scene in BSG-TOS like this? Not a chance.

John O.

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Can you imagine us have a conversation about a scene in BSG-TOS like this? Not a chance.


Or Enterprise?
If anybody ever cracked an expression on Trek that wasn't accompanied by three pages of dialog, they'd be fired on the spot! :D

If anybody ever cracked an expression on Trek that wasn't accompanied by three pages of dialogI'm sorry to report that this is one of the things that makes B5 more like Trek than like BSG. It's that Exposition-R-Us syndrome - way too much talking about being and not enough simply being. If you've noticed in the episodes of BSG broadcast so far, they don't try to do too many things at once or cover too much plot territory. Thus not much need for over loaded exposition and more time for characters to reveal themselves through their actions.

John O.

John, Adama's relationship with Starbuck evolves in the next episode and it's as gutwrenching as this one was.

I got that it had nothing to do with Adama's feelings that his son wasn't good enough. Instead it was that she lied about it and was responsible for her sons death, as well as his utter disappointment in someone he considers to be like a daughter to him. To me, it was more a look of betrayal and the rage involved in that than anything else.

Griff, for the most part I agree with you, but I think Adama's rage started with the "chops" sentence because at that point Adama could ahead and begin connecting the dots about how Zak's lack of skills and Starbuck's affection for him led to Zak's wings and ultimately to his untimely death.

José

I'm sorry to report that this is one of the things that makes B5 more like Trek than like BSG. It's that Exposition-R-Us syndrome - way too much talking about being and not enough simply being. If you've noticed in the episodes of BSG broadcast so far, they don't try to do too many things at once or cover too much plot territory. Thus not much need for over loaded exposition and more time for characters to reveal themselves through their actions.

John O.

Good point about B5, but I daresay their dialog and exposition (usually) is FAR better written than Trek's has been. Gazelles indeed! ;)

We had a "best quotes" thread over on TrekBBS recently, and most of the examples seemed to be from B5.

Or Enterprise?
If anybody ever cracked an expression on Trek that wasn't accompanied by three pages of dialog, they'd be fired on the spot! :D
Actually, I can, at least this season and maybe last season. They've done stuff over there in the last couple of years that totally took me by surprise as well. It wouldn't have been done the same, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be good.

Listening to Ron Moore's portion of the commentary on the BSG miniseries, I thought he was talking more about how they were striving to make BSG different -- not just from Trek, but also from the Stargate shows and everything else floating around. And that's one of the things I like about the result. I really like the new BSG, but it doesn't diminish my enjoyment of Enterprise. To me, it isn't a zero sum game. And having both on the same night makes me want to stay home on Friday nights (and I keep forgetting to set the VCR -- I need a DVR).

On the other hand, having both Alias and Lost on the same night is almost overwhelming!

Qapla'

SSB

So say we all!

I've actually been enjoying Enterprise of late. The last episode Babel One had a few very good moments.

"You're uglier than I remember"
"This ship is small and un-impressive"
"That's funny, I was about to say the same about you"

I was in stitches!

The remote control ship was a little hard to believe. The Romulan behind the remote control reminded me of the Man behind the Iron Mask without the muskateers.

It WAS funny when Archer stared down Trip, the Trip backed off, and Archer smiled with great satisfaction. That's the kind of humor the show started out with, but lost very quickly. it needs it.

I'm sorry to report that this is one of the things that makes B5 more like Trek than like BSG. It's that Exposition-R-Us syndrome - way too much talking about being and not enough simply being. If you've noticed in the episodes of BSG broadcast so far, they don't try to do too many things at once or cover too much plot territory. Thus not much need for over loaded exposition and more time for characters to reveal themselves through their actions.

B5 did have a propensity for going off with a lot of expository dialogue, but it may have been a function of the constraints JMS operated under. B5 was created with the intention of having a beginning and an end, so getting from one point to the other is difficult enough without having to deal with unexpected surprises like actors leaving and the constant threat of cancellation. JMS never had an iron-clad guarantee that he could tell his story, so he had to rush to get some elements in place if he wanted to accomplish his vision. Several times things seemed rushed (read: Fourth Season) and the character interactions forced.

Assuming Ron Moore has a plan, he either has a guarantee he will tell his story at his pace or he doesn't care whether he will. Either way, when you boil down to the essentials, Galactica's simply a survival story with no predetermined end, giving Moore the freedom to move things slowly and concentrate on things other than finding Earth.

José