Were going to release the new IB3600 cell in a few weeks. After track testing this cell has proven to have allot of potential. It's main feature is lower IR and high capacity combined with good average voltage. Best of all it's cheaper than the current cells available.

Were also the exclusive distributor for IB cells in North America.

Gotta love cheaper....Thanks for the update.

Were going to release the new IB3600 cell in a few weeks. After track testing this cell has proven to have allot of potential. It's main feature is lower IR and high capacity combined with good average voltage. Best of all it's cheaper than the current cells available.

hmmmm cool. i like the word "cheaper". when my paycheck is my sponsor, they don't look highly on expensive from time to time ;) 3600 mah? man... my Turbo30 is sure getting outdated to reach that capacity.. LOL.

imma stick to my 3000's and 3600's and wait for the 4000's (tee hee).

thanks for the update D'!

ps.. that blue shrink wrap on them 3600's do look snazzy..

ooo question, are your numbers for the IB's going on a 30amp or 35amp?
howz the IR's looking and runtime? I'm hoping for the right price.. around 1.14+ with a 365+ run time.. perhaps?

We will only be matching these cells at 35 amps because we feel this is the best way to match cells.

Here are some of the number ranges I got from the test cells. I will have more accurate information when we finish up our first batch of cells next week.

430 - 450 , 1.17 - 1.18 and 1.9-2.3 IR @ 30 amps.

360 - 380 , 1.16 - 1.17 and 1.9-2.3 IR @ 35 amps.

We will only offer these in 4 part numbers.

IB3606 Race pack matched 6 cell loose. 100.00 Retail.
IB3604 Race pack matched 4 cell loose. 67.00
3600MSP Matched stick pack with labels. 60.00
3600SP Stick pack 50.00

Danny, who makes these cells?

Intellect Brothers.

Sorry but I thought you said cheaper. 50.00 bucks for a stick pack. I guess you meant cheaper for you, obviously the savings are not being passed along. Sorry just my 2 cents.

The prices above are retails. The street price will be lower than the retail price. The retail for our GP3300 stick pack is 67.00 and 75.00 for our matched stick pack. Our high end race packs retail for 115.00.

So yes they are cheaper plus this cell will compete against the GP3700 and if you want to see the retails of that cell go see the Trinity website.

Then come back and tell me if the IB cell is cheaper or not.

Danny
I heard a rumor they are lighter than the current GP3300mah's , can you confirm?

Trinity lists the 4-Cell GP3700 Race Pack for $75.99 but they are listed on Tower for $54.99 so I'm sure Danny meant that as "List Price". I bet 4 cell packs will go for under $50.00 street price.

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The prices above are retails. The street price will be lower than the retail price. The retail for our GP3300 stick pack is 67.00 and 75.00 for our matched stick pack. Our high end race packs retail for 115.00.

So yes they are cheaper plus this cell will compete against the GP3700 and if you want to see the retails of that cell go see the Trinity website.

Then come back and tell me if the IB cell is cheaper or not.Oops, you beat me to it. :lol:

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Hi Danny , Any word on how these packs hold up to Modified racing as opposed to the GP3300 cells ....

Stay warm and hope to see you soon ....When is the St Roche race .I have missed it for the last 3 years ...Maybe i can get time off this year..SRM

So far from what we have seen it holds up well but it's to early to tell.

Maybe Rick Talbot will visit this thread and talk about his experience with this cell.


I went to the Trinity website to get some retails of the 3700.

6 Team pack which equals the IB race pack 151.99

4 cell pack 99.99

Matched stick pack 128.99

Stick Pack 99.99

Hi guys, I have run the new IB cells in both 4-cell mod and 19T at Greeneville TN (about a 160' runline oval). With about 5 cycles on the packs, I cycled before and after on a GFX. The cells did not lose any run time, the voltage went up and the internals stayed the same. None of the packs were dead shorted, they were brought down to 3.60 and left alone.

I tested the packs against my best GP cells with about the same runtime and voltage. The IB cells ran faster up front and held the lap times longer into the run, both in mod and 19T.

Hope this helps, Rick Talbot

Sorry but I thought you said cheaper. 50.00 bucks for a stick pack. I guess you meant cheaper for you, obviously the savings are not being passed along. Sorry just my 2 cents.

Have you checked the LIST price on high performance stick packs lately? These are 3600 and they retail for less than the 3300.

SMRocket

St-Roch's classic will be held April 2-3 2005. Saturday practice and prequalify. sunday race.

Man it's unbelievable how cell technology has come a long way sonce the old Sanyo 1400 mah cells.

I saw these a pack of these in action this past weekend. They didn't have labels on them but the pack was matched. The guy using them wasn't any faster but he wasn't any slower.

Danny, thats good news, more capacity, lower IR and good price! ...... anybody who thinks batteries are crazy or expensive now ...... go back to the old days of 1400 scr's...lol.

Danny you gonna be at the birds this year ?

cya,

Rich Boehmler

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2565&item=5950260480&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1606754-5463217?loc=http%3A//cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D5950260480)

This is some other info I found about these cells.

If you can read Chinese

Rich: No Snowbirds for me.


The IB cell were releasing is the newest upgraded cells. Glad to hear they aren't slower than the current cells.

Thier web site is located at http://www.ibbattery.com

Thier web site is located at http://www.ibbattery.com

Or maybe ... http://36488.en.ec21.com/

Steve.
tqcells.com

They have a number of web sites

http://www.li-polymer-battery.com
http://www.globalsources.com/intellect.co

The 12 cells i have,these are 30amp #'s,initial zap on an EA zapper,then 4 cycles on a tm-4 at 6amp charge:
1-359 1.111 24
2-359 1.164 21
3-348 1.163 21
4-328 1.023 33
5-291 1.059 39
6-332 1.108 45
7-365 1.174 20
8-370 1.158 22
9-341 1.116 22
10-356 1.163 22
11-338 1.170 20
12-357 1.171 19

Way cool.

Any issues on legality of these cells? As in ROAR approved?

ROAR only approves cells once a year. The Oct. deadline for new submissions has already passed. I doubt that these, along with the GP3600 cell, will be ROAR legal for the 2005 season.

I like the color

Ksg Blue!!!!!!!

DK47: I guess you got some of the first generation cells. Were getting the latest improved cells with the numbers coming up to the specs I mentioned in my earlier post.

The important fact is that the racers who have tested them for us all seem to agree they are as good as the current cells if not better. Please notet that the cells they are comparing against were supplied to them by us and were picked out of thousands of cells. The samples I sent them are picked out of 380 test cells. I expect them to be even better once we do 5000 cells.

dam this sucks so we by new 3300s for the birds and they are out dated after the race

when will they be released to sell or are they still in testing ?

dam this sucks so we by new 3300s for the birds and they are out dated after the race

:tongue: That's Life in the fast lane for ya'! With those IR #s they ought to be great for stock!

just trying to decide on our tracks rules for next year

its just crazy to buy new batts to go to the birds and then have to turn around and buy new cells for the rest of the season is all. dont get me wrong i dont mind buying new stuff to stay fast.

Donnie, If your the one making the rules and your track follows Roar rules the choice is easy, make them illegal to run. THe track I run follows Roar rules, we are not an official Roar track or anything, we just use their rules as a guide line.

These cells along with the gp3600 will not be legal at our track till roar approves them, simple as that. Not much different than when Trinity came out with the 4-mag stocker, nobody runs them at our track cuz they are not roar legal.

Just because someone comes out with something new doesn't mean you have to make it legal.

Although it will be cool to have cheaper cells, and I am very interested to see how these cells perform.
Just my thoughts, Joel

We will start shipping them late next week so if your local track or shop deals with Horizon , Great Planes, Competition Products they should have them by the end of the following week.


We tried to get Mike Boylan to allow them at the Snowbirds and we were going to have 1000 plus packs to sell at the race but he decided it was best to stick with GP cells.

This cell will perform well and will be a contender but I don't think it will obsolete the current cells. It's an alternative and after seeing the price of the GP3700 this cell looks even more appealing.

To not allow this cell is a mistake when a product comes out and is as good as what is currently available but the price is cheaper than banning it is not logical.

Danny,

I understand your frustration about marketing a new cell. But looking back at the cell wars of the past prior to ROAR going to this rule, the average racer got really hurt. New cells were released with small changes and improvements almost constantly. So if you wanted to keep up you had to keep buying. Now at least you can get a year out of the cells and not HAVE to buy new to go to a bigger race.

With the rules now, the guys that need to plan there expenses can and the drivers that typically don't have to worry about that, don't wind up with all the major advantages. Look at what the racers have gotten out of the GP3300 over the last few years. A steadily improving cell at reasonable cost.

FishRC: GP has changed its 3300 cell 4 times since it first came out and everytime it has been an improvement in the same shrink. If you wanted the latest and best you would buy the newer generation GP cells. I don't really see why we shouldn't allow new cells it's not much different than a company updating the current cell in the same shrink.


Competition will keep the battery manufacturers honest when it comes to pricing and the product will keep getting better.

I just think racers need to learn to buy packs 2 at a time. This way when they fall off you purchase the newer style cells and keep the older style for practice. Gone are the days when you should buy 10 packs at a time.

Here is a better looking picture of the IB3600 cell.

Danny has anyone tried Dead shorting them yet?
a 373 with 1.167 would be insane shorted.
After shorting if they react like GP cell you are talking about 340-350 runtime and voltage like 4.70+, NICE

Considering the top level racers tend to buy new packs every few months or more often... or be given them every few months by their sponsors etc... I really no longer buy the argument that new cells comming out several times each year really hurts racers that much.

Well it will hurt some racers who want to buy a few packs and get though a whole year... however I honestly beleive they are somewhat fooling themselves that they can do this, even if technicaly there have been no new cells released. Especialy given what Danny is saying about shrink wrap remaining the same, while cells keep improving...

The whole thing used to really bug me... now I've just accpeted that if you want to compete at a high level, you must keep buying packs and/or be sponsored... Personaly I just buy what I can afford, and figure I'll do the best I can with what I got, and not get to worried about what everyone else has, or if I'm in the A, B, or C main...

Erock: So far I haven't tested deadshorting but Josh Cyrul who has done allot of our testing has said it hurt one of his packs that he tried it on.


I just built a 4 cell pack this morning and cycled it on my GFX. The room temp is 68deg which is cool. I typically see 7-10 seconds drop in runtime on my GFX over the TM-4 labels.

cell#1- 372-1.169-2.2
cell#2- 372-1.167-2.1
cell#3- 372-1.168-2.2
cell#4- 373-1.168-2.2

Pack numbers: 360-4.66-4.69-9.3

Erock, I've got some and like Josh, tried dead shorting them. The numbers fell off pretty drastically, so I wouldn't recommend it. Actually I would strongly advise against it.

Interesting, thanks for the updates

Danny,

I understand the "value" in the new cells, great performance, lower price, etc. I also do not know why the 3600 number was put on the entry form, however......I truly believe Mike did the right thing in this case. Personally, I would not think twice about buying 8 packs of the new stuff in florida, but I may not represent the majority.

I think most racers have their supply of 3300's pretty well settled for snowbirds by now and the time from your ship date to the race is pretty tight.

Having said all that, I think you should have a few hundred available for sale at the race. You will rarely have a better group of "mid level" racers like myself who want to stay on top of the new things coming out.

Thanks for helping keep the battery suppliers honest and good luck with the new cells.

Peter Coll

Danny,
It appears that the ave. voltage and IR are pretty close to the top GP cells. However, how much more performance will these cells have being they have more runtime? How does the discharge curve compare. Also, about the useage of new cells, if I use 2 packs a day for 1 or 2 days a week and each pack is used twice a day, when should I get a new pair of packs to stay on top of performance?

I understand your point of view but at a race like the Snowbirds our stock and 19t racers will use the same pack in every qualifier and main. Our mod guys will run 2 packs for the entire event.

I think Mike should of allowed them in mod and keep them out of stock. After all mod should be full blown racing not limited like the stock classes.

It would of been beneficial for the unsponsored drivers to be able to by good high capacity cells out of the counter. The GP3300 ranges from 3300-3650 with very few cells in the 3550-3650 range. To be able to buy cells in the 3650-3750 range over the counter would of been good.

The IB cell as a higher discharge curve for the first 200 or so seconds at 35 amps. After that it drops off a bit. The good thing is that when we track tested this didn't really affect the lap times at the end of the run.


How long a pack will last at a top level of performance has allot to do with maintenance. Normally you should feel it whne it starts to run slower.