figured since no one else had started an '05 thread i would.

Well,,,, when is any one planning on starting back racing on the oval?

NORRCA is looking for someplace to have the Dirt Oval Nationals. Is anyone interested.
Go to the NORRCA thread for more info.

NORRCA is looking for someplace to have the Dirt Oval Nationals. Is anyone interested.
Go to the NORRCA thread for more info.


Now that would be cool!!! But it just might be too late for this year.

I know the off-road nats.is in Nov.
So maybe not.
Norrca does a lot of the advertizing for the event. So the word would be put out. Like this year they're going to promote the off-road race at the Snowbirds.
Flyers etc.

!!!!!Hello!!!!!

What about the series between Ms. and Ala. Or why not just a series in Meridian for local folks or whoever wants to come. Or has then been a private meeting that two of us wasn't invited to.lol

Tommy

I think they are holding private meeting's! LOL I don't think we want to be there! LOL
!!!ROTFLMAO!!!

You guys are so funny! When is the oval going to race again?

I think I'll send a hello to this thread so I get the e-mail updates....

Bill Vail

Below is a repost from the old thread. I didn't get any responce and couldn't decide if there was no intrest or nobody got the message.








Hey all... Something to think about... Now that racing has slowed for the winter, now would be a good time to think about putting together a seasons points championship in one or more of the classes. Once spring arrives and we've are already hot and heavy into the racing it's always harder to get things started.

- I quess we'd have to talk about points system.
- Who's in the series? What classes?
- How many races you gotta run to be in. Maybe 50-75% of the races or you're not in contention? Is there a break for out of town folks that don't make the minimum number?
- Season dates (i.e. when does it start/end)
- Number of races you can drop, if any? Say 20% of the races you enter (rounded down)? You enter 10 times you'd be able to drop 2 races. Enter 5 times, one race. Enter 3 or 4 times, they all count.

Anyone interested? Any input or ideas?

Bill Vail

YES I am for it and would be willing to do what the majority rules in favor of. I think it would be a good way to get more people interested over a longer period of time. We just need to have a meeting of some sort, so everyone can voice there opinion.

Its been a long time since any track in Meridian had a points race/system.
But anything to get people into this I'm for. Even if race fees go up. Could do points for the year, or something that was over in 4-5 months and start over. Or just have one or two point races a month. Or maybe a double point night.
And then give a little something to the winner of each class at the end of the points. Not a kit or a .26 engine, but just something.
Ya'll need to decide on who would keep up with the points, preferably someone that would be there every week or whenever there was a points race.
But a meeting with all local racers would be excellent. Just give a time and a place.

Tommy

Helloooooo any body out there???????

Anyone even want to race?

WELL.................

the points system sounds like a good idea! what would be the best classes for it? all, or just a few?
imo etruck always seems to have the same crowd every week, and the racing is always close, i think it would be a class for points class. something like 5 points for 1st,4-2nd, 3-3rd, 2- 4th, and 1 for 5th through 10th.(if we ever have that many)
gas truck seems to have 3 to 4 racers that take off and leave everyone else. a different ranking of points would probaly be better than i discribed for etruck. maybe say 5-1st, 4-2nd, 3-3rd, and 2 for 4th through 10th. maybe that would keep the points a little closer even if the racing isn't. and keep everyone involved in the gas class.
i'm not trying to write any rules, just trying to throw out some suggestions. anybody else have any ideas on how we should give points? or what nights should be points nights?

Seems he left off two of the four classes.

Bill,
Have you had anymore thoughts?
Whose going to make any decissions? When will someone know something.

Well fellas whatcha gonna do?

what abut 1/8 scale buggy, we have a dozen or more over here and they run oval and offroad.

Howdy folks,

I'm off to work right now and don't have time to write much at this moment. I think I'm working most Fridays in Feb and the weather has been really crappy anyway. May be in March?

I wish I had more time to write...

Bill Vail

i was just giving my ideas for how 2 separate classes could be set up for points,
just tossing up some ideas and used those 2 classes. don't take it so personal!
the other two classes kinda mirror the ones i mentioned. the same points system could apply to them as well.
as for 1/8 buggy no one knows what that will be like cause we havent raced them yet. so far i know that pearce and ryan have the same buggy, but different HP engines. and theres also a 7.5 kanai at the LHS, someone will more than likely get it. cant say how it will stack up against the others.

Should have the same points for all classes. Just be easier to keep up with. If theres a runaway, the others should try harder(hope nobody takes that personal). I don't think it would be any runaway's, just to many things that can go wrong. Somebody may not be able to be there every weekend or something like that. But there needs to be a meeting so people would know whats going on. Some people who are not on here may have some ideas. Could have a meeting at the track

Not to take away from the points deal, but why don't everyone get together and think about a club. Might could do good, might not. Might could raise a little money so P.D. wouldn't have to feel the whole effect of paying for everything that has to be done. Not saying it would raise thousands of dollars. But enough maybe to pay the lease, light bill, water bill or a load of dirt.

One other thing, Who is going to turnmarshall and 1/8th scale buggy on oval? What about spectator protection? Should be something other than a belt.
I was told to ask that by someone else.

Tommy

Howdy folks... been really busy lately. Some of it work. Some of it hobbying. Sadly, very little of it racing.

Seasons points race.... I've been giving this a ton of thought. There WILL be a points race for E-Truck! The rules:

- If you enter any E-Truck race, you are in the points race. No special "application" is required.

- I will keep the points. Since it is unlikely I will make all the races, I will need someone to supply me the names of those entered and the finish of the mains.

- Points will be 10 points for 1st, 9 for second,8 for 3rd etc.... In addition, finishing points will be multiplied by the number of people entered up to 10 people. For instance. If you finish 1st and there are 8 cars entered, you will get 80 points (10x8). Second will get 72 points (9x8) and so on. If you finish 1st and there are 200 entered you will get 100 points (10x10). The reason for this it that "bigger" races should pay more points, right? The reason there is a 10 person max is that it would not be good for racing if we had a BIG night racing and someone picked up an insurmountable lead. Say we held the NORCA oval nationals and 150 turned up. Further say Pearce won... That would be 1500 points and the points race would be effectively over.

The reason there is a multiple at all, is that it would not be fair to pay 8 points for 3rd if only 3 trucks were entered. That would be the same points pay out as if 10 had raced. 3rd place points with 3 entered should not pay the same as 3rd place points with 10 entered.

- No points will be given for TQ or track records. Racers will give them whatever honor they feel fit.

- You must enter 75% of the races if you're from Meridian, or 50% of the races if you're from T-Town, J-Town or B-Town (or any other town), to be eligible to win the points championship. You shouldn't be able to enter 3 races and beat someone who has entered most of the races but has had some "racing" luck. In short, you have to play to win.

- You wil NOT be able to "drop" a race. If you have a bad finish, you will have to take your racing "luck", enter more races to average it out, and hope other racers have their day with "racing luck". "Some days you eat Bear, some days the Bear eats you..." Remember, if you have a bad day and someone else finishes well, they MUST enter more races (75%) or they will not be points contenders.

- The race season will be from March until the start of deer season (I'm not a big hunter so someone will have to help me here).

- Protests and petitions can be made to the race director (Me... :)). The most likely will be that "I didn't know we were racing!!!." "This race shouldn't count!!!". Just talk to me like I'm a human about your protest and we'll do what's right. Just remember that the ultimate criterion of what is right and wrong will be what is best for racing as a whole and ALL those that compete. Also remember racing is a semi-heartless business. There is no "judging" as in ice-skateing. At the end of a night's racing it all comes down who is in the lead of the last lap of the "A" main. Everything else is insignificant. Racing doesn't care who TQed. It doesn't care that your race mate wired your motor backwards. There will be one race each night that pays points... Really... you need to be at the front of the pack in the mains to get points. Short version.... Protests OK... Excuses not OK...

A good protest would be, "Pearce, Donald or Bill (me) said we were NOT racing but 5 fellas showed up and we raced any way. I was told we weren't racing so this race should not count."

A BAD protest would be, "I got a bad set of tires from Bill and tubed the mains."

- Off-road races COUNT!... Build an off road track. Maintain that track. Race that track. Win on that track. Those races count. It's good for racing.

- All of last years E-Truck/Brushless-Truck rules apply. Roughly, that is, box stock truck, any brushed motor or Novak brushless.

Since the race season hasn't started, NOW would be a good time to point out problems... I don't have a crystal ball and would appreciate input. Once we start racing changing the "system" gets very much harder.

It's Valentines day and I'm in trouble with the little lady for this time on the computer. :)

Bill Vail

I'd REALLY like to see the above rules in Gas Truck. More than any other class, gas NEEDS a season long points race. Maybe folks will finally figure out that going fast or TQing is NOT winning. This is REALLY a tough class and I don't know how the points would work out.

I would also like to see this run in stock buggy. This is very close racing and that could lead to a very close and exciting points race. Everyone that starts, finishes and that means points. Could be good.

I wouldn't recommend a points race for T-Max/E-Max/Trugy/Monster/Maxx/HPI/whaterver. This is a great starter class and I don't belive the presure or need to win would help this class. I could be talked out of this so I get to change my mind on this one.

I'll keep the points for whatever other classes we decide to run. Just let me know what the rules are and give me the data for determining the points. I'll make a spread sheet.

Bill Vail

I've been hearing a low simmer of 1/8 scale buggy... Pearces' got one Ryans' got one. Any others? Is there going to be a class? Like Tommy pointed out, who's going to stand in the middle? They are big and 4wd. Maybe we don't need turn martials in the middle.

Do we race 'em off road and oval? Do we have special rules for spectators and other folks outside the track? Is it safer on the inside of the track or outside?

Before the first race we should have some rules. Wings, foam tires, engine size, weight min, bodies, and anything else that been a problem in the past... Does ROAR have an 1/8 scale set of rules?

Do we need another (expencive) class? For that matter are we clear on what classes we're going to run in the upcoming season? Same as last year... Stock buggy, Gas-Truck, Brushless-Truck, and an "open" truck class?

Now would be a good time for further discussion of the MAXX/Monster/Truggy/Open/class. The season hasn't started and Donald sold a lot of trucks this Cristmas. I would expect some of them to show up at the track. Keeping them at the track is the goal and not having a motor rule is not a good place to start.

Just some thoughts...

Bill Vail

Another note... We changed things a little on how we do fuel. It really wasn't fair to Pearce and Donald to ask them to bottle fuel. Donald is a one man show at the hobbyshop and sometimes didn't have the time to mess with bottling fuel. Soooo.... I now put it in the usual 1 gallon poly jugs. It's much easier for everyone. No jug required. Easier for you.. Easier for Donald... Easier for Pearce...

It's up to Donald if he will split a jug.

If it's OK with everyone I'll post this to the other Mississippi/Alabama racers threads.

Bill Vail

Just from briefly looking over it, it looks good to me.

If or when there is a off-road track, will this be a combined points with both tracks or will it be seperate?

Tommy

I am, I guess the only one with a truggy and have no intensions of running it on the oval, so yall can leave it out of any controversy. As far as 1/8 scale buggy goes, not going to run it on the oval neither. So for everyone that is trying to come up with anything to limit the truggy or 1/8 scale buggy class as far as I know there is not one.

Just from briefly looking over it, it looks good to me.

If or when there is a off-road track, will this be a combined points with both tracks or will it be seperate?

Tommy

Combined. For E-Truck. The E-Trucks are running stock lenght shocks, arms, tranny etc. and should be easy to swap from offroad to oval and back. E-Truck will run a combined oval/offroad points system. Remember, while the E-Truck motor rule right now is ANY brushed motor or the Noval SS5800 brushless that will change if it becomes apparent that the brushless can't compete. As it stands right now, having run only oval, there hasn't been a need for a brushed motor limit. If it turns out that the brushed motors are dominante on an off road track I will do what it take to level the playing field. I'm not putting out anything that hasn't been said many times before. Just reminding folks that what was good for E-Truck oval is good for E-Truck offroad.

NOT Combined for Gas truck if we decided to run a points race for that class (and I hope we do)... That's my vote. The 1/10 scale gas trucks must be set up for oval to run anywhere near under control (wings, 80 weight shock oil, etc.) and it would be time consuming and expencive to swap setups every week.

For MAXX and Buggies someone else will have to weigh in first. I'm not a big runner in these classses and don't feel comfortable expressing an opinnion.

Bill Vail

Since your going to be the rule-maker,lol, let me, us know your thoughts on these questions, in your opinion. npi

1.What would be the best for buggy power, mod or stock?
Jones,Casey and myself have been playing with 19t and lower. But if someone comes from out of town, need to have in stone one or the other.

2.When on the oval, is it buggy only or can conversions run?
I noticed you gave the layout for etruck. Simply put, off-road truck.

3.Wouldn't it be better to make all the races count for points, so it would truly determine the points "Champion" for his/her class. Kind of give the incentive to be there every Friday night.

example: What if Jeff Gordon said he didn't want to go to Pocono. Would NASCAR just not have points for a week.

What I'm getting at is points should be based on who can run up front week-in and week-out. Everyone will have their share of bad nights. Especially in 8 months of racing.

What I've heard people say about eTruck is, you should call it Brushless Truck. That way there is no confusion about what to run. And besides, at all the national events they race in their own class. It saves any bickering down the road if its said at the start. If brushed motors show, start their own points.

Tommy

I can see why you might say that and to be sure I DO have an opinnion on this, but since in never run MAXX and rarely buggy I'll let someone else take the lead.

An opinion I WILL express.... Tommy PLEEEAAASE run the buggy class. Ryan, PLLEEAAASEE run the MAXX class. Ask Pearse for the athority to run these classes. I think he would be happy to have someone take control of these classes and do what it takes to grow them. I believe it take ONE individual to run a racing class and since both of you have a keen interest in these classes and a knowledge of racing and what it take to make it apealing to other racers I can't think of a better choice. Everyone seems to be waiting to be told what we are doing. Tommy tell me what we are doing in buggies this year. Is there a points race? Is it a mod class? Offroad only? Oval only? Both? Is brushless legal in the "stock" setting? I may run the class more. Ryan (someone) tell me what your vision of the open truck class is and I (may) build one and enter. Reread the first line. This is my OPINION. Pearce my not see it this way and you can dissagree with me. It's OK. I dont' want to run all the classes. Just one. But someone needs to take charge of the others. Just do it.

Adjust opinion to taste...:) :)

Bill Vail

I thought you wanted to keep up with all of it. I didn't know you was just making rules for two classes. I thought you were trying to change things for the better. If you want to grow those two classes, why not do the same for all as a whole racing community. The track needs ONE leader that's not prejudice toward other classes. I tried to turn a leaf over, didn't like what I uncovered.

I can see nothing has changed.

Hmmmm, Ryan said he wasn't running either his truggy or 1/8th scale on the oval, and I was just giving some input as requested. Now your telling us to "PLEEEAAASSEE" run those classes. Then what was all this about.

I'd REALLY like to see the above rules in Gas Truck. More than any other class, gas NEEDS a season long points race. Maybe folks will finally figure out that going fast or TQing is NOT winning. This is REALLY a tough class and I don't know how the points would work out.

I would also like to see this run in stock buggy. This is very close racing and that could lead to a very close and exciting points race. Everyone that starts, finishes and that means points. Could be good.

I wouldn't recommend a points race for T-Max/E-Max/Trugy/Monster/Maxx/HPI/whaterver. This is a great starter class and I don't belive the presure or need to win would help this class. I could be talked out of this so I get to change my mind on this one.

I'll keep the points for whatever other classes we decide to run. Just let me know what the rules are and give me the data for determining the points. I'll make a spread sheet.

Bill Vail

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I'm out again. This is too hard. See you'all at the track.

Tommy sometimes I don't have a clue what you're talking about. I love all the classes and have no earthly idea WTF you're talking about. Where did you posibly get the idea I'm only interested in two classes? Sometimes I really wonder what color the sky is in your world.

You're right. It hasn't gotten any prettier under this rock has it.


Looking forward to a great spring and some good racing. Again, see you all at the track.


Bill Vail

Bill,
WTF is your problem? You set there and make up almost a whole page of rules you would like to see in a series, and I could live with that, but I thought you was doing something for all racers. Then when someone says something you don't like you fly off, asking what they are doing for their class. Are you the only one living in your world. Is your world only oval? Tell us, what color is the sky up there.
If you cant read what I put on here, get someone to explain it to you.

At this point,do what you want. I don't care anymore.
I knew better than to get involved with you. But I tried to forget everything in the past. Thanks for the memory.

You WIN.

Man This Is Getting Heated In Here. I Say That We Just Run Them All Together In One Class. Would Be Fun To Watch.

I'm done here.

i think there is a fine line between discussion, and arguement. we are all human and have different points of views. hopefully with one main thing in common, R/C Racing, regardless of class we race, or prefer. we have plenty of time to hammer out our rules and points stucture for all the classes, or just a couple. we can come up with something. it doesnt have to be done in a week.

Just a note to those that are interested... Tommy called me the other day and we had a long, productive, if not "lively" converstion. I think much of the "conversation" that has been posted here could be attributed to misunderstanding and one thing we agreed on was to call each other before posting dirty laundry on a public forum. I really don't need. Tommy told me he didn't need this and and I'm pretty sure others don't either.

Time will tell.

See you at the track.

Bill Vail

thought it was pretty good reading. stirred up the bordem.lol.

I just figured I would put us back on the first page, Lets talk about what we got going on here, it is about time to start racing in meridian. I see some fresh dirt out the track. Peirce do you ming giving everyone a little up date on the off road and oval?

Meridian superspeedway will be racing Friday night. March 25

Clint is working the track

See yal Ryan

What classes you guys run? Foams?

Ya'll don't care if I join over here do ya? Just like to know when the oval is going
to get started back.

Brent

I'm getting worried, I come over here and nobody posts for three days. HE HE

We will be racing in Meridian this week. Clint will be here today and Friday working on tracks offroad will not be ready this weekend but we will race oval.
Friday 7:00 P.M.

Donald

hi all,

just got back from working the track, not done yet but the dirt is awsome! it should make for some great traction!!!
trying to get it smmmooooth.

Good luck on the opening racing guys, hope to get over there sometime soon.

whos gonna be there tonite

Bill,
Where will the points be listed at?


Tommy

Bill,
Where will the points be listed at?


Tommy

I don't really know yet. Which thread would folks like 'em on? Maybe this one?

Since you asked about points and others may not know, the printer was not working Friyday night and I don't have a print out of the finishing order of the mains. Donald said he would get me that early next week.

Bill Vail