It's funny that these new brushes are appearing right before the Snowbirds. Racers at the birds will pay what it takes too win. After what they spend to get there, what is $15.00 - $60.00 more. And you can bet that some of the fastest racers running them did not pay for them. From there the brushes will be spread all over the R/C world and racers will think they need them.

Even the smartest advertising people from Madison Ave. would have a hard time to beat that promotion.

Checking E-bay today, I found the new " Ready Plutonium Brush" just $19.00 a pair. Part #ASC777.

It seems that Ready got this hobby started and now he wants to kill it. Nitro is looking better all the time.:confused:

Perhaps this is their way of pushing the Reedy brushless system????

Plutonium? Is that like from pluto? would that account for the price?

I had heard something about $30 for a set of brushes... $19 must be the bargin price?

But seriously... when brushes start selling for that much, brushless is clearly the way to go...

I got 40 pr coming, hope they work

You seriously spent $760 on brushes? or did you get an even better deal then $19 a set?

im in for brushless

I guess you guys dont understand. If the $20 set of brushes lasts you 30+ runs your down to less then a $1 per run. No other set of brushes are that cheap, and will actually work. Right now I switch brushes ever two runs for club racing in mod, and every 1 run at bigger events.

I'm not paying for my brushes but still someone has to pay for it. If ends up being cheaper for my sponsors and works just as well then its a win win situation.

Its another alternative to the V2 motor if you really like your Trinity or Reedy based motors.

But then again at Checkpoint we will have our motors out very soon which has been running better then anything else I have ever run, but will last just like a V2 motor. Its the first oval motor that will actually run like a r@ped ape and still last more then one run.

30 runs without a loss of power... call me skeptical...

from what ive been reading on other sites, they are killer brushes... i had heard they arent the hottest brush as far as power, but they are efficient, and last 30+ runs...

You seriously spent $760 on brushes? or did you get an even better deal then $19 a set?

just kiddin dyno, i was being facetious

Sorry I didn't recognise that right away... I was pretty sure you had more sense then that... The more I thought about it... it was pretty obvious. I mean you did say.... "I hope they work"...

I guess Trinity has some $15 a pair brushes too...

I am very skeptical about these. If they don't produce as good a power as some other brush then who would care if they lasted 30 runs? Also the propeganda on these says the comm doesn't need cut as often either... I might be able to beleive that someone could make some brushes that work as good after 30 runs as they did when they were new, but I am extremely skeptical that they will make the comm last anywhere near that length of time. If you have to cut the comm, then the face of the brush doesn't match the comm, and well you'd probably want a new set of brushes too.

Yup I'm skeptical still.

Any links to any articles on these?

I am a little sceptical too. Oval racers will cut the comm and put new brushes in just to get one more watt of power on the dyno. On any of these new motors including Checkpoint can you really say that the power stays the same for let's say even four runs...three heats and a main....because if it falls off even a little bit then racers will be replacing them alot sooner. If they really do last ten runs or more than it would be cheaper in the long run. Brushless is gaining steam locally and brush prices like this will just help it come quicker.

I cant say that the brushes will do what advertised but neither can anyone else that has not run them.

I can say that the prototype Checkpoint motors that I have been running have been awsome. They get faster on the 2nd and 3rd run. I have not been building the motors my self just, handed something and told to run it, but I have been very impressed, so has everyone that has seen them go, or get passed by them.

This is just for oval. For off-road stuff we can get 40+ runs with everything
looking good. TC is about 5+ with the hot brushes.

You guys can be skeptical all you want, but if you have never used it, never seen it, then why worry if its better or not, only time will tell.

Guys, I get 30 to 50 runs out of all my brushes....just ask my racing buddies.

I only change them because they get too short. Thats mod,stk or 19 turn.

can you say BRUSHLESS

No! but I can say brushless sucks.

I only change them because they get too short. Thats mod,stk or 19 turn.

Ill buy that...The brushes I saw on your 19 turn were about 1/4" long...if that...LOL... Needless to say I was shocked how well it ran given that.. I have/had always been one of those that scrapped the brushes after about 4 rounds...

Here we go again. It's just a brush. I guess I will be DQed this weekend if I run them. Got a few pair. They are awsome. We have to remember we have to spend money to play. On a normal weekend in mod you are going to run about 10 pairs. 4.00 a pair 40.00. I can run 1 pair all weekend 15.00. U guys got to quit looking at everything in black and white. Yea I know its just a hobby but I take my racing serousily. Maybe to serious. Ritchie Mac

Oh forgot something. Another vote dang it seems like we are voting on something every week. As far as the people on fussing and complaining about why they are not running up front (looking 4 excusses) why don't you get off here and work on your pile's. I've been doing this for 10 years and I didn't win my first race for about 3 years. I used to look for excusses to. I used to think it was because I couldn't get the batteries that other people got. Well I borrowed my uncles pack who ran for promatch and I didn't run any faster. That told me it was my ride. When I started running 19t when ARCOR 1st started I had a blast. I learned alot that season. I started running mod at Sandhills last year and had the most fun I've ever had. Yea G-Honey handed me my tail every week but I kept coming back for more. I learned so much that year traveling with G to GA, FL, it's amazing how you can have a 2 1/2 hour discussion on the center shock. When I got back to Sandhills I picked up 3 seconds right off the bat just by the way you build and prep your center shock. B4 somebody post on here that I'm sponsored and can get better stuff. I've busted my butt the past 3 years on my racing. I work on my car at least 3 to 4 hrs a night. Last night I worked on it for Thunder Rd this weekend (can't wait to get there Erine) for 5 hrs. So all I'm tring to say is I think people need to quit complaining so much and work on there stuff. Eric and I will help anybody all you have to do is ask.(I heard some people say that we wouldn't help anybody the last time we were up there) That's not true!!!! I think if you ask anybody that knows Eric or myself will tell we will go out of our way to help others. I hope I didn't make anybody mad just my thoughts but if somebody does have a problem with me I'll be glad to sit down with them and disscuss it at Thunder Rd this weekend. Erine you gonna have security there? LOL!!!!!!!!!! C YA FRI morning Ritchie Mac

Preach that truth brotha Mac......


I will be bringing you my center shock at the birds....lol

Dusty Dean

Preach that truth brotha Mac......
I will be bringing you my center shock at the birds....lol
Dusty Dean

I just shipped him a new HPI shock to build for me, LOL

They are awsome. We have to remember we have to spend money to play. On a normal weekend in mod you are going to run about 10 pairs. 4.00 a pair 40.00. I can run 1 pair all weekend 15.00.

Richie, I'm not afraid to spend a buck or two, but can't imagine these brushes give the performance of the typical 1 run brush??? I understand they last longer, but first run, compaired to first run, which is faster???

Later, Bret

i never said they were the best. I would just asume have some orion's. I'll let u know in a month.

Ritchie YGPM. :wave:

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Bulit Motorsports (http://www.bulitmotorsports.com/), TQCells (http://www3.sympatico.ca/tqcells/)

For what it's worth...
The Trinity LeMans brush and the Reedy/LRP 777 brush are targeted towards the On-Road/Off-Road Markets. They are a lower performance brush that offers longevity in those applications.
Trinity and Reedy needed to do something to counter the V2. The V2 has swept the On/Offroad markets, (and since they are the largest markets,) Trinity and Associated needed to act fast to try to make their motors perform like a V2. Don't worry, these new brushes aren't needed or intended for Oval. Performance is even less than a Quasar.
Hope this helps...

Todd Putnam
Putnam Propulsion
www.putnampropulsion.com (http://www.putnampropulsion.com)

On a normal weekend in mod you are going to run about 10 pairs. 4.00 a pair 40.00.....Yea I know its just a hobby but I take my racing serousily. Maybe to serious. Ritchie Mac

'maybe'?

No! but I can say brushless sucks.

Why do you think brushless sucks? We've been trying it all winter and I think just about everyone who has tried it likes it. The 4300 setup is almost as fast as 19 turn on flat carpet and the 5800 was exactly as fast as 19 turn at the Tri-Clone. So we now have a format that costs less money, goes as fast and helps even out the playing field. Please explain to me how that sucks?

Thanks Todd for the explanation. I figured these expensive brushes worked, why else would they bring them out. I just know how most oval guys think...If the motor slows down at all between cutting the comm and putting in new brushes they will do it no matter what the cost. Some of the new motors coming out may not slow down between cuts but the oval crowd will be the toughest to convince.

...and to think that the some in the R/C Racing community thought I was crazy for offering the highest performance laydown compounds ever for an additional $.50-$.75 retail...:cool:

Hmmmm....

Todd Putnam
Putnam Propulsion

Todd... you're crazy :tongue:

it would just be nice to be able to get them!!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like my 1/4 scale is getting cheaper to run every week.

it would just be nice to be able to get them!!!!!!!!!!!

here here!

Davepull/pepe: If you were referring to our brushes, (availablility), contact us...we have 10's of Thousands we'll sell you...:thumbsup:

Todd Putnam
Putnam Propulsion
518-452-0422

cool TP I didn't know you sold to the gerenal public. I'll let some guys down here now and get back with yah.

And to think P.T. Barnum was right. THERE ARE SUCKERS BORN EVERY MINUTE!

I'm just hope and pray electric doesn't go to these high dollar brushes it will be the end of oval for sure,or at least it'll be the end of RC for me anyway.

i do have one question about these brushes.

what happens when you over gear a mod motor in a touring car with 6 cells? do these brushes not turn purple and dry out like all other brushes to date? because if your saying "we" the oval heads could run a 6 single and run a 35-100 with 2.20 tires and not burn up the brush than i say amazing,lol. does anyone know if we can burn up this brush on accident(over gear) and still have them perform like new? that to me is the important question. i would hate to blow 20.00 on one pair of brushes and over gear the motor and burn them up in one run? how do they respond to drops? thanks bill

Hey Tod do you have the blue and green brushes? I buy them from RC4less but they are shown as out of stock. for sure the best brushes I have ever ran!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks
Randy

Hey Tod do you have the blue and green brushes? I buy them from RC4less but they are shown as out of stock. for sure the best brushes I have ever ran!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thanks
Randy
Todd has them in stock :thumbsup: .
putnampro@aol.com
518-452-0422

A Quick clarification to my earlier post re: the application(s) for the new Trinity Lemans and Reedy 777 brushes, as there seems to be a bit of confusion...

The evolution of cells in the past 2-3 years has resulted in increased voltage, runtime and lower resistance. This has introduced increased wear and shortened the the life of both brushes and comms, especially under the extreme loads a motor is subjected to in the application of Touring Car/Sedan racing. In a 6 cell 4WD car,(that is heavy,have a lot of rotating weight, drivers use brakes, etc;) it is easy to burn up brushes in just one run.
With the introduction of the Peak/Orion-based V2 round brush/aluminum endbell motors, this design maintained brush and comm life in this application better than the conventional type motors at the time they were released.
Other manufacturers have taken steps to solve the problem of comm/brush deterioration as well, hence the new breed of brushes and the topic of this thread.

I have only rec'd samples of the Reedy version to test, and spoke w/ Sean Cochran about his findings with the 777 as well. He stated that their brush was intended as an enduro-type / long wear brush,(to counteract the brush wear/burning problem) and that it's performance in oval would be comparable or slightly less than a Quasar. The intention, to deliver a brush that would live longer under the extreme conditions of Sedan racing.
I haven't tested Trinity's LeMans version yet, so its performance may be totally different. The "generalization statement" was intended to describe the origin of how and why these brushes came to be, not as a generalization of the performance of both types of brushes offered by different manufacturers.

Sorry if I caused any confusion...
Todd Putnam
Putnam Propulsion

...I can offer this regarding on-track Oval testing of the Trinity LeMans brush:

A local oval racer purchased a pair at the local track and ran the same pair in both 4 cell 19 turn mod and 4 Cell 1/12th Open Mod this past weekend. His fastest run in 19 turn was within a lap of the our new track record,(within 3 seconds) that was set with our X Brush. Obviously there are variables,(cars, battery, driving, etc.) but here is a basic description of the scenario.
-Both drivers are capable of winning and have both won Oval National Championships.
-Both drivers were running a Putnam Propulsion 19 turn handwound mods.
-The driver running the Trinty LeMans brush was preparing his own motor,(I only cut the comm) and I was preparing the motor that set the new record. Both were cut by my on my lathe, (1 less variable).
-Both motors had their timing set at 24 degrees, with proper rollouts, etc.
-Both were in the same heat race and main, and both cars were fairly even chassis-wise, (neither one was bananas, built by a monkey, etc.) :thumbsup:

It is my opinion/conclusion that the Trinity LeMans brush performed pretty well for 4 cell oval. I looked at it during and after the race, (after it had multiple runs in both 19 turn and Open Mod,) and it looked great. Fully seated, but zero discoloration with serrations left. I asked the driver what his thoughts were, and he stated he was really suprised and happy with the wear characteristics, but thought it might lack a little performance...(His words). I will try to test them both on the track and on the dyno this weekend if I get the opportunity. If I do, I'll be sure to post my findings.:thumbsup:

Hope this helps,
Todd Putnam
Putnam Propulsion

I'll stick with are regular brushes.I change brushes after every heat even for club raceing.I figure that one point or two points of power that is gained could help me tq or win the main. I like to practice like I race and thats what club raceing is practice for a big race.To go faster sometimes money must be spent.just my thoughts.

well put matt.

Ritchie Mac