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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 04-17-2017, 08:14 AM Thread Starter
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Incredible Japanese Stargazer Discovery

Just got myself a Stargazer 1/144 Discovery kit and took a swoop around the web to see how people have been building them. Came across this blog where a Discovery build begins on page 6, here:
2001N͌^̗
or Part 1 here:
http://chandler2001.sblo.jp/article/60109769.html

Chrome's translate helps. Make sure you click on the "more" in individual posts to see the build.

This is one of those builds that makes me wonder if I should just get a new hobby. Or take up drinking. Or something. And I haven't even looked at his other builds.

What is it with these Japanese modellers? They take me back to the models I see in some of my old man's 1950s Popular Science/Mechanics magazines of beautiful, intricate, insane jewels built out of wood or metal by our parents or grandparents - ships, aircraft, working steam engines. Only the new medium is plastics and LEDs.

I mean, there are images here taken inside a 3.5 inch diameter shell that look like they could have been from the set. What stunning craftsmanship...
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post #2 of 18 (permalink) Old 04-17-2017, 08:31 AM
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Those shots that show the interior are insane. OMG. That's just incredible.
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Astounding!

He even has the HAL Eye on the Pod lit

I wish there was a sot of the Command Deck

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http://clapstick.sakura.ne.jp/sblo_f...overy/D191.jpg
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His command deck is on this page:
1/144 Discovery@012 CM-11 d2: 2001N͌^̗

It took me 2 1/2 hours to read through and save his build. Amazing ingenuity as well as insane skill and bravery. A couple cool Japanese products that I've never heard of and have to track down, just for everyday modelling. And the inspired use of the commonplace: the pod bay door frames are strips of MicroSet or Sol bottle lids?!
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Welcome to the world I 'discovered' back in the '80s.

I used to joke about how a 'review' of, say, a new robot from the Gundam franchise was useless as an actual review of the kit as the builder would inevitably find the kit flawed and inaccurate (this was during the 'Zeta Gundam' kit release days when Bandai wasn't quite as obsessive about accuracy to the designs as they are now) and so would essentially completely re-build the model from scratch, only keeping, say, the forearms and parts of the legs and chest, the rest being putty, plastic card and home cast resin replacement parts.

There was an illustration in a book where a then-Old Timer was marveling about 'modern' plastic kits (circa 1985) and thinking back to his youth, where a model started as a hunk of wood you had to shape into the hull of the ship you wanted to build. I would assume the caption was on the order of "you kids! Why, back in my day..."

There's no question there's some INSANE Japanese craftsmen out there cranking out the work, but there's people right here who do similar amazing crafting that at times makes me want to just take every plastic kit I have, every tool, every paint and glue and just chuck it into a big pile and set fire to it all, as I could NEVER EVER come close to the perfection these guys crank out almost in a casual way.

Then sanity eventually returns. Mostly.
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His command deck is on this page:
1/144 Discovery@012 CM-11 d2: 2001N͌^̗

It took me 2 1/2 hours to read through and save his build. Amazing ingenuity as well as insane skill and bravery. A couple cool Japanese products that I've never heard of and have to track down, just for everyday modelling. And the inspired use of the commonplace: the pod bay door frames are strips of MicroSet or Sol bottle lids?!
I can't find the specific paragraph where this is mentioned but I would suspect what he did was use a bottle lid edge to make an impression that he pulled a cast from rather than trying to carve the detail by hand. That's the kind of thing they would do.

But I'm just guessing.
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Incredible!
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That's some incredible work.
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I fought it as best I could but I broke down and bought one of these via Starship. I figure that Stargazer has researched it to the best of anyone's abilities, that the detail has to be crisper than anything Moebius has managed so far (and this, like the TOS Galactica, is a kit that cries out for sharp detail, which the TOS Galactica sadly lacks), it's in actual 1/144 scale, at least as far as the 15' miniature goes, and it's certainly costs no more than the Moebius kit is going to set builder's back, maybe half the price if people start loading up on any needed aftermarket or printed details and corrections. Of which I'm sure there will be many.

But when am I ever going to get time to build it? Well, I guess it's now or never.

Only three left at the SSM store. And then they're gone, probably not forever, but at least until the (apparently short-term?) Moebius license runs out.

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I fought it as best I could but I broke down and bought one of these via Starship. I figure that Stargazer has researched it to the best of anyone's abilities, that the detail has to be crisper than anything Moebius has managed so far (and this, like the TOS Galactica, is a kit that cries out for sharp detail, which the TOS Galactica sadly lacks), it's in actual 1/144 scale, at least as far as the 15' miniature goes, and it's certainly costs no more than the Moebius kit is going to set builder's back, maybe half the price if people start loading up on any needed aftermarket or printed details and corrections. Of which I'm sure there will be many.

But when am I ever going to get time to build it? Well, I guess it's now or never.

Only three left at the SSM store. And then they're gone, probably not forever, but at least until the (apparently short-term?) Moebius license runs out.


Has it arrived yet
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It's one of my favorite kits to take out, look over, marvel at the detail, wonder when I'm going to get to it, and put away again.
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I'm just happy to see a mass market kit out of the Discovery. I expected Aurora to release one back in the day. I had no idea that it would be fifty years later before we would get one. But, I am glad that we will finally be getting it, and even more glad that I will be around to see it happen!
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Stargazer: In transit. USPS says it takes 5-10 days for priority to Canada, but for some reason once they cross the border things seem to sit in Vancouver for a few more days.

Oh, man, Stargazer, your Aries IB looks beautiful. Hope you don't have any plans to discontinue it anytime soon. My wallet needs to recover and my priority model this year was supposed to be the Apogee Saturn I. You've derailed the best laid plans.

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Stargazer: In transit. USPS says it takes 5-10 days for priority to Canada, but for some reason once they cross the border things seem to sit in Vancouver for a few more days.

Oh, man, Stargazer, your Aries IB looks beautiful. Hope you don't have any plans to discontinue it anytime soon. My wallet needs to recover and my priority model this year was supposed to be the Apogee Saturn I. You've derailed the best laid plans.
You can blame Canada Customs for that. Once your package crosses the border, Canada Customs gets it and it takes 'awhile' for them to do their paperwork. They then release it to the shipping company to deliver and you could be charged a fee when it's delivered. Usually you have to pay HST on your order and sometimes you might have to pay another fee. Canada Post lllloooovvvveeessss to slap a "Handling fee" and if that wasn't enough, they also slap HST on top of that "Handling fee". I always hate that fee, you already paid for the shipping and Canada Post wants some money so they 'charge' you their fee.
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Interesting. I've never been charged anything from Canada Post for a delivery from the US before, except ocassionally Customs/Duty when it's over a certain amount. This is probably over that certain amount. But being an amateur astronomer, too, almost everything we need comes from the US, books, software, parts. They will nail you if it's a Nagler. Rarely anything else. Maybe I've been lucky.
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