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At Jaxcon yesterday I spoke for a few minutes with Frank and also picked up another LIS robot for a future build. There was also a display at the door by two Orlando guys, one is Adam Johnson (a 2001 expert), who have published 2001: The Lost Science and had some of the ships on display. I spoke with them for a bit and Johnson has been hired by Frank to provide all the technical details on the Discovery to help in making the kit which he said is going to be highly detailed and accurate. The license duration is very short ending sometime next year so Frank is only going to be able to produce the Discovery before losing his license, hence no Aries the guy said. But getting a good styrene Discovery is going to be fantastic.
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Yeah, I was saddened to learn we'd only get two kits (newly-tooled Orion and the Discovery). Still, it's better than nothing -- and I'm sure both kits will be terrific.
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Meh thats the one 2001 kit I wouldn't buy. I don't like giant space ships in tiny scales like 1/10000.
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Oh I am so excited about the Discovery. I am glad that is getting produced.
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Yeah, I was saddened to learn we'd only get two kits (newly-tooled Orion and the Discovery). Still, it's better than nothing -- and I'm sure both kits will be terrific.
got any idea on; Discovery's dimensions?? & $$ ???

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Well, DJNick seems to think we're getting a small Discovery, I'm sure others have dreams of giant kits. Honestly, I wouldn't mind a kit around a foot or 18 inches long and priced under $50. I'm probably insanely optimistic about the price point.
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Too bad about the license duration, but he's chosen the right ship to represent the franchise. I'm hoping for 1/144 (30"). But something like 1/288 (Fantastic plastic uses that scale a lot) would still be about 15" long.
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The 2001 expert guy said it would be a good product. I hate to go out on a limb but he might have said 1/144th scale but don't quote me on that one. That would make it about a meter long which while big wouldn't be outrageous. Frank has made some large models like the Seaview and others so I wouldn't say it would be a surprise. Lots of common parts in it either way so they would only have to model numerous parts one time and reproduce multiples of it. We'll have to wait and see, whatever, it should be good.

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I am sad we are only going to get one new kit from Moebius but I still find it amazing they were able to secure the license at all with that rat's nest of legal wiring that controls 2001 properties.

The Discovery is a good choice from the production point of view- even more efficient that the 1999 Eagle with repeatable parts. It also is the dominant ship in the film with the most screen time IIRC.

While a Space Pod and Aries would have been wonderful at least I have the Atomic City versions (well one 1:12 Pod and the 15" Aries on order). Hopefully if the Discovery sells well perhaps Moebius will try and renew the license.
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But that's a question I would have. Is the Discovery actually built up from a number of repeated identical units (which, as has been said, could greatly reduce tooling costs) or are there variations in those modules? I understand it may well be impossible to know 100% (combined with complications, such as if it's known if there were parts or segments of the miniature left undetailed because they would never be seen*) but I assume Adam Johnson has at least enough information to make the judgement call.

*On 'unseen and thus not built' and the Discovery. I really have no idea if that thinking applies. On the one hand the miniature was so damn big they had to be thinking about how it was going to be shot and what the shots were. OTOH knowing Kubrick's style, he would never allow his options to be limited by a model and would insist on being able to shoot it 360 degrees and all three axis.
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Right? Considering he rebuilt the hotel exterior in The Shining just to get one last pickup shot.
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Well, DJNick seems to think we're getting a small Discovery, I'm sure others have dreams of giant kits. Honestly, I wouldn't mind a kit around a foot or 18 inches long and priced under $50. I'm probably insanely optimistic about the price point.
Unless its in something at least 1/72 or 1/48 its a small scale. Now if it was the size of Trumpeter's new 1/48 U Boat that would be a different story. I'd pay $600 for a real sized kit of it but $50 for an under 20 inch kit no.
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Unless its in something at least 1/72 or 1/48 its a small scale. Now if it was the size of Trumpeter's new 1/48 U Boat that would be a different story. I'd pay $600 for a real sized kit of it but $50 for an under 20 inch kit no.

its better than nothing !,....plus the fact it is the first styrene kit of this subject ever produced !
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Right? Considering he rebuilt the hotel exterior in The Shining just to get one last pickup shot.
Didn't know that (not a horror or Stephen King fan, I realize that makes me some kind of Visigoth if not complete heathen. ) but sure, that's how he was.

I mean, I can think of several ways to 'cheat' the centrifuge* on the Discovery so no need to build that big complex set but man, MAN did he ever use the living daylights out of it. And it completely, successfully sells the illusion of being on a real ship.

*You keep the shots tight on the actors, only build like 3 'segments' of the wheel with a slight curve to the floor, use matte paintings and composite action for a scene of 'one astronaut overhead of the other' and only do that once to establish the location. All of that would work but you could NEVER get that tracking shot of a guy running around the wheel.
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There are a lot of models out there is 1/144 scale esp the airliner kits so it would fit in well scale-wise with a lot of models. Plus it would fit on a shelf albeit a longer shelf. I'll take one in any scale though - who would have thought we would even be getting a model at this point?
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