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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 05-16-2017, 08:56 PM Thread Starter
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Trailer for The Orville

It looks like there are going to be two new Star Trek series this fall.

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This looks like it will be the better of the two. :-)
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Looks good, funny, nice production values... probably cancelled after 7 weeks.

But seriously, it DOES look better than ST: D. It has more spirit, more energy and dare I say, more 'finished' then the just released teaser trailer for a TV show that supposedly has been in development since, what, late 2015?

It obviously is going to borrow heavily from 'Galaxy Quest' as well as Star Trek and I'm OK with that. It also looks like, just as in Galaxy Quest, the ship is going to be a king bitch to model.

(mind, the existing kit of the ship from Galaxy Quest does a good job but it's a right miracle how people have been able to light it properly)

But what if Fox doesn't do its usual sabotage and this show actually succeeds. I mean regardless of where they move it, how often they pre-empt it for sports, maybe running the episodes out of order creating confusion somehow it gets the kind of ratings that you just can't ignore. So it goes for 3 or 4 seasons. It finds ways to expand so it's not just a 'one joke' concept. I wonder what effect that would have on future Star Trek?
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This looks promising, and Seth knows how to keep stuff on the air forever, so it has a chance of lasting. If it can stay funny and interesting for a long time is the real question.
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This looks promising, and Seth knows how to keep stuff on the air forever, so it has a chance of lasting. If it can stay funny and interesting for a long time is the real question.
Wellll, recall, his 'signature' show, Family Guy, WAS cancelled and took a couple of years to come back (and he made a joke about it, with the roll call of 'canceled too quick' Fox shows ). American Dad seems to struggle along and I can't recall any other shows he's got running. The Cleveland show died, again jokes made of that in Family Guy.

According to IMDB The Orville is only 11 episodes, so that sounds more like a mid-season replacement...further checking the actual IMDB listing they call it a 13 episode deal which is better.

(insert rant about 'short seasons' and how frustrating they are yet most of us would rather 13 really good episodes Vs. 24 so-so episodes)

What I want to know is, will he get that sexy Mila Kunis to appear on the show?

Woo! Jonathan Frakes is directing an episode! Now THAT should be really really fun!

Now, see, just look at me here. I don't think I'm alone in being more excited about this silly show, which comes kinda out of nowhere, then the new Star Trek that seems mired in molasses. Cripes, IMDB, there's just gap after gap. Look at this listing for 'Storyline': "Plot unknown. Described as a new Star Trek series for CBS All Access."

Is that not pathetic? Compare to the Storyline listing for The Orville: "Set 300 years in the future, the show follows the adventures of the Orville, a not-so-top-of-the-line exploratory ship in Earth's interstellar Fleet. Facing cosmic challenges from without and within, this motley crew of space explorers will boldly go where no comedic drama has gone before. "

(no mention of the anticipated and seemingly inevitable fart jokes)

How hard it is to put out a storyline? It's a Star Trek series. It's a ship and a crew going out and doing stuff. And CBS can't be bothered enough to write that much for the IMDB?

grargehhh.
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...further checking the actual IMDB listing they call it a 13 episode deal which is better.

(insert rant about 'short seasons' and how frustrating they are yet most of us would rather 13 really good episodes Vs. 24 so-so episodes)
Actually, the business model now is to greenlight a half season like this and see how it does. If it does well, then it will either get an order for additional episodes for the 1st season, or will get a quick renewal for a S2 with a full 20+ episodes.
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Actually, the business model now is to greenlight a half season like this and see how it does. If it does well, then it will either get an order for additional episodes for the 1st season, or will get a quick renewal for a S2 with a full 20+ episodes.
Yep, know that. The problem is the interrupting of production. Sometimes the order for more episodes or even the renewal for a second season takes so long, up to and past the wire, that sometimes you lose actors, or production staff. It's always awkward to have to come up with a reason why (actor/character) is no longer around.

Of course, Seth being a fairly smart man who has watched the programming shenanigans at Fox for years now, he may have built 'escape hatches' into the 13th episode that allow for it to either end or continue or end and then suddenly get picked back up 6 months later.

See also all the nonsense surrounding Babylon 5 and the 4th and 5th seasons. (and yes I know there was a LOT going on behind the scenes there)
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Whatever talents he may have Seth is not a likable person in front of the camera.

Too bad, this looks to have potential but I think people are going to be put off by him.
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The difference and similarities between the two trailers is striking.

The major difference is that the Orville Trailer clearly tells you want the show is about. The Discovery trailer leave you guessing. You can't even tell from the trailer who the star of the show is.

The Orville uses goofy, stereotypical scifi uniforms that reflect the comic nature of the show. The Discovery uniforms look like copies of The Orville's uniform and their goofiness contrasts with the seriousness of the show.

The Orville trailer has the comic segment about the alien whose race pees once a year, reflecting the comic nature of the show. The Discovery trailer has a nearly identical segment where a similar looking alien makes the goofy statement that his race senses death, providing a contrast with the serious nature of the show.

As others have mentioned, the big question about The Orville is whether they can keep it going. It has been done before. Witness Futurama. At least they did not make the misteak of having Will Robinson on board; even for comedy.

The fundamental flaw of Discovery was obvious when I first read about the series: It's all about formula. The trailer reaffirms that.

The Orville has to be CBS's worst nightmare.

PS: Wouldn't the Enterprise have been around 10 years before Kirk?
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PS: Wouldn't the Enterprise have been around 10 years before Kirk?

Enterprise was something like 80 years before Kirk.
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Enterprise was something like 80 years before Kirk.
I, um, think he means the ship, not the show.

And regarding that, there has always been questions on just how long the Enterprise had been in service before Kirk. We know Pike was Captain, with Spock serving under him, and that can be anywhere between 5 or 10 years previous. (was a specific timeframe for 'The Cage' retconned by dialog in 'The Menagerie'? )

Then we have the animated series establish Captain April as commander of the Enterprise before Pike. Depending on the current favor for taking animated series information as canon or not. (what I usually see is the 'good stuff' stays and 50 foot tall Spock Clone gets tossed into the bin. )

Then we have to question if 'Five Year Mission' was a standard policy all down the line or if that evolved as knowledge, technology and growth developed.

Like so much of Star Trek, we really don't know much. We don't know how old the ship 'really' is. We can make speculations both logical and completely insane. We can attempt to fit the changes made to the 11 foot filming miniature (pilot, second pilot, the recent revelation of 'between pilots' alterations, production) into a 'block revision' timeline of refits and upgrades. But for all that, nothing really established in the series itself. It just exists.
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There's been debates on how old the original Enterprise was when it was destroyed. In Star Trek 3, Admiral Morrow stated it was 20 years old but most agree it was 30-40 years old. Robert April and Pike were the first 2 captains and by the time Kirk got the Enterprise, it was about 20 years old.
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Doesn't The Menagerie take place "thirteen years ago?" (If memory serve.) Thus, 10 years before Kirk, one would expect starships to look like the Enterprise.
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Whatever talents he may have Seth is not a likable person in front of the camera.

Too bad, this looks to have potential but I think people are going to be put off by him.
I'm not sure I agree with that, but maybe I do. What I see is a guy who is a charming slimeball. If I were casting a remake of 'The Music Man' I'd make him the lead. He just seems to exude that stereotypical 'Hollywood' sleeze.

He might be a great guy. Were he and I in the same Star Trek club I'd use his obvious energy and enthusiasm but I would never trust him with the club money.

Saying that, obviously he's got the talent to survive in the Hollywood environment. Maybe he's just taking advantage of the moment to enact a 'Shatner fantasy' or something. We'll have to see how he works out, he might be a surprise.

I'm not sure who you could cast for the part. The obvious go-to would have been Nathan Fillion but bringing him on board may have gotten a chill reaction from Fox. I'm sure there are plenty of voices on the internet clamoring "why not a person of color, or a woman, or (whatever)". The other go-to would likely have been Andy Samberg but he's busy with Brooklyn 99. Phil Hartman would have been great but of course he's dead.

I think Bill Hader would kill in the role. He's got the right 'regular guy' personality.

We'll see.
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